Service team section

[utaninja]

I’ll make this short.

People. Hate. Service. Teams.

But why? The main reason is because they shitpost the product sections and have horrible customer service.

Let’s take Cal and @religions company @avast for a second. Both companies don’t do either of that.

It depends on the company, but wouldn’t you say that the same for freelancers?

Sometimes you want to use a service team. Less hassling with finding one seller, cleaner, etc. I’ve personally preferred looking for a service team rather than finding freelancers.

Why don’t we create a dedicated section for service teams. Instead of having duplicate threads with different titles in each section, put one thread in the service team section.

(Threads can be moved rather than deleted)

This would let freelancers have the freelance section and bigger service teams have their own sections.

They can buy stickies. up the thread, just like any other section.

What do you think?

 

[JayMC]

Makes sense.

 

[Landon]

This is an open market. The point of service teams is to provide a service. Whether that is direct competition to solo providers, or not. Creating a separate subcategory will simply divert attention away from service teams.

You claim this is a way to benefit both service teams and solo providers, but in reality, it only benefits solo providers.

If I’m looking for graphic design, I will check that category. If we’re required to move our threads, that is people seeing our services, and it isn’t like anyone will be like “Let me check the Service Team subforum”.

Service teams don’t hurt anyone on this market. We’re just another service provider, like anyone else, but we offer more protection to our consumers unlike solo providers.

 

[Arik]

I totally agree with this, service teams take too much of the attention away from solo providers.

 

[Landon]

I totally agree with this, service teams take too much of the attention away from solo providers.

That’s the point of open markets, competition. A market with no competition isn’t really a market. If service teams really are that “distracting”, then solo providers should start pushing for more advertising so their products are seen by more consumers.

Creating a new forum simply punishes service teams for the sake of “we should care about solo providers instead”.

It’s an illogical solution, really, and I fail to see how the argument of “Service teams take away from solo providers” adds any subsidence to the claim.

 

[Masons Monarch]

This was just suggested a few days ago and rejected. They aren't going to get rid of Service Teams. Micks denied this countless times before.

 

[Ivain]

I can't believe nobody has commented on your choice of title yet....
using the term "Final Solution" is generally frowned upon. Google it if you don't know why.

 

[Chearful]

"more protection"? hardly IMO. most service team tos's i see have something along the lines of how they aren't responsible for their freelancers or the payments to their freelancers.

service teams are stupid because they:
- needlessly generate spam on EVERY thread (main reason why everyone hates service teams)
- most are ran by little children with little experience whatsoever and just see service teams as a way of quick money by taking cuts out of their peoples' work just because they spammed on a thread and some sucker bought into their spamming. they pretend to be professional but they aren't

moving them to their own section is a great idea. then ban them from posting their shitty sales team bullshit on every thread marked as 'requesting'.

if anything, freelancers deserve this. with a freelancer working solo you get one-on-one with someone - none of this chain of command crap.

 

[utaninja]

I can't believe nobody has commented on your choice of title yet....
using the term "Final Solution" is generally frowned upon. Google it if you don't know why.

Thank you so much for pointing this out. The title has been edited.

I’ve personally had family that went through the holocaust. I did not register that it was the same term as such. I’m truly sorry and should have been more careful.

"more protection"? hardly IMO. most service team tos's i see have something along the lines of how they aren't responsible for their freelancers or the payments to their freelancers.

service teams are stupid because they:
- needlessly generate spam on EVERY thread (main reason why everyone hates service teams)
- most are ran by little children with little experience whatsoever and just see service teams as a way of quick money by taking cuts out of their peoples' work just because they spammed on a thread and some sucker bought into their spamming. they pretend to be professional but they aren't

moving them to their own section is a great idea. then ban them from posting their shitty sales team bullshit on every thread marked as 'requesting'.

if anything, freelancers deserve this. with a freelancer working solo you get one-on-one with someone - none of this chain of command crap.

That’s the point of open markets, competition. A market with no competition isn’t really a market. If service teams really are that “distracting”, then solo providers should start pushing for more advertising so their products are seen by more consumers.

Creating a new forum simply punishes service teams for the sake of “we should care about solo providers instead”.

It’s an illogical solution, really, and I fail to see how the argument of “Service teams take away from solo providers” adds any subsidence to the claim.

I agree with both of these points. Sometimes actions have to be taken no matter how much we want this to be a free market. This will promote freelancers and satisfy the community.

I think there could be other solutions, I just don’t have it.

 

[Justis]

This would be a move to disorganization for the sake of separating out things personally disliked.
Creating a separate section would be a disservice to our layout’s intuitiveness as well as the people who prefer service teams.

Since the preference of service teams is personal, the solution should be personal. The best decision would be to implement the filter system which I have been suggesting for many months, and allow users to filter out or filter in threads listed in each forum based off of a plethora of useful information. Information such as whether the provider is a service team.

 

[Cal]

Sometimes actions have to be taken no matter how much we want this to be a free market. This will promote freelancers and satisfy the community.

if anything, freelancers deserve this. with a freelancer working solo you get one-on-one with someone - none of this chain of command crap.

Legitimately asking; why should independent service providers be given an artificial advantage over a team?
Many individuals use the exact same tactics as service teams, posting on every thread they can offer service for. Why should a team be given a handicap for using its advantage of scale?

 

[doodle]

Hm, I'm a bit torn on this. On one hand, service teams can shut out single artists by monopolizing — if you will — sections. On the other hand, service teams actually compact the forum. If the teams didn't exist, the section would be flooded more with the individual freelancers. But a separate section seems fit. I may be ignorant, but I don't see downsides to it.

 

[Joshua C]

My thread which is similar as well - https://www.mc-market.org/threads/514536/

 

[Stefatorus]

Since service teams usually provide multiple service types, this would allow people to more easily browse the list of service teams, along with provided service types, etc.

In my opinion, it would be way cleaner and would make both sides happy.

 

[Mick]

If you're looking for a web designer, you'll look in the web design forum to find someone. When you do, a list of every single web design service on the site will show here, including both service teams and individual freelancers which is exactly how it should be in my opinion.

Service teams aren't an idea invented by MC-Market, it is our users recognising the benefits as freelancers and customers of dealing with managers to receive a more professional experience when handling commissions. If you personally would not want to deal with a service team or want to exclude them from your searching for services, then simply focus on the individual freelancers.

In a market like MC-Market, as long as services are ethical, I feel like the fewer restrictions we put on the way that people sell their products or services, the easier it is to transact on our platform.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.