“Developers”, a rant about how stupidely low the skill level has become

[Ghast]

I’m quite sick and tired of what I’m seeing in this community. Ever since 2017, the laziness in the products provided has never seized to decrease. Everything is getting worst and worst in terms of quality in the development industry. This is... a surprise.

Quality has dropped, people have stopped being passionate about what they make and it’s now just the gold rush to whoever makes the most cash.

In the last 4 months, I posted multiple high demanding commissions. They were extremely well paid and nonetheless, because people were lazy, they never got to the end. Two individuals were hired for a Mythicmobs configuration. Here’s how it went:

First one boasted and proudly claimed about his fantastic expertise with mythicmobs. I hired him and after a day, he contacts me saying all is done and if he wants me to get more stuff I’ll have to pay more. I’m a bit confused but agree to such. I notice the mobs are empty at most and are barely well configured. I made sure to tell this individual such and made sure he’d correct it to be the oustanding quality promised. Second day, same thing. Third day, I had enough. I tell him straight up the quality and product is shit. He’s basically asking for $75 for 300 lines of scripting, which is outrageous. I ask him to tell me how long he worked on it and guess what: 5 hours...

This guy, who couldn’t add particles on a mythicmob, was asking to be paid $15/h for being the absolute worst configurator I’ve ever seen.

Second case, user was more friendly but DELAYED EVERYTHING FOR 2 MONTHS, absolutely trash outcome. I hated it and I hate working with such.

All of this misadventures happened... with configurators. I’ve been one myself so don’t give me the “it takes time” bullshit, it does indeed but not to that extent. And as for plugin development for me to get a partner? Wheeew don’t even get me started.

This is an issue, a gap in the market. If you consider yourself good at something other than management as that’s not any sort of manual skill, contact me

Hope everyone can share their horror stories on here,
Bests,
Ghast

 

[Xeify]

I've had worse. I worked with someone who claimed the could make graphics. The next day I literally see no progress and he hasn't even sent anything. The next day, nothing happens. So for roughly 3 weeks, then he goes I'm done and it looks like actual garbage, keep in mind I hired him before I could use Photoshop. I never got refunded that day...

 

[icecub]

Just do your research on someone instead of taking them up on their words. Of course anyone that smells money is going to present him- / herself the best they can. But anyone that actually takes pride in their work and takes their job seriously, will be able to show you!

I've got around 18 years of development experience in several different languages. Most self taught, some I actually got papers for. But I don't consider myself a professional. I'm just a hobbyist. Not here to make any money, more likely just to spend some and maybe if I see a project I'm interested in, I'd be willing to help out. For free. And even I got several projects I've done in the past that I'm able to show. It only makes sense anyone that considers working with me wants to see what I'm capable of before doing so.

Looking to hire a builder? They should have builds they can show you.
Looking to hire a plugin dev? They should have at least a server running where they can show some plugin(s) they've made in the past.
Looking for a designer? They should have a range several different designs they've done.
A configurator? They too can show their previous work running on a server.

If they talk big, they're able to show. If not, just don't take them seriously and move on instead of wasting your time.

 

[Ambrosia]

Did you even ask to see any work that they've done?

 

[Em]

Why are you comparing REAL developers to people who configure? It's entirely different to configure. Anyone can configure. Watch a tutorial, read the plugins wiki, quite simple to do so.

What do you expect from to get when hiring 13 to 14 year olds with zero education in anything remotely computer science related? If you want quality work, hire an adult with experience. It'll cost significantly more, but it's pointless to pay middle schoolers money and expect a high quality product in return.

I'm confused, OP isn't talking about computer science, or development??

 

[Ally]

I'm confused, OP isn't talking about computer science, or development??

Nvm (edited). Title is misleading I think. But yeah look computer science/dev provides overall concepts which are useful when dealing in this situation. Even so, "configurators" shouldn't even be a thing.

Edited again; OP provided examples of configuration work being done, when they were talking about development as a whole (poorly supported argument imho). Still, computer science/development is relevant in the concepts taught are fundamental to producing software, etc.

 

[Em]

All of this misadventures happened... with configurators.

Nvm (edited). Title is misleading I think. But yeah look computer science/dev provides overall concepts which are useful when dealing in this situation. Even so, "configurators" shouldn't even be a thing.

When?.. Oh, you edited your post. ok. There are knowledgeable configurators, I see why there's people that are in the market, and to use the server owners resources in other things, perhaps? There are some good configurators but idk.. Anyone can do it.

 

[ida64]

Do you really expect people on a Minecraft sales forum to be anything more then "decent" at programming?

 

[Em]

Do you really expect people on a Minecraft sales forum to be anything more then "decent" at programming?

This thread isn't talking about programming. Read the OP's post?

 

[ida64]

This thread isn't talking about programming. Read the OP's post?

Woops I guess? Point still stands.

 

[Miles Lu]

If graphic design counts as a manual skill, I've gone with the approach of prioritizing the quality of my work over charging and have put my focus towards giving back to improve myself. I'm not motivated by money or attention, I simply want to help others and create content that others can admire. I feel like this is something that a lot of users on this site lack. You'll run into so many individuals that brand themselves as top-of-the-line in their industry, however, they aren't able to stand behind their work. Instead of pouring passion and dedication into their work, it's about getting the job done. This site needs more freelancers that are fueled by the intense devotion to their skill and genuinely try to make each project better than the last.

 

[Lexxonist]

This is issue could have been prevented with one thing.
A portfolio

But do try to make sure they aren't claiming someone else's work as their own. Something like a reverse image search does the job quite often actually but other times it's harder than that.

 

[VapingPenguin]

I’m quite sick and tired of what I’m seeing in this community. Ever since 2017, the laziness in the products provided has never seized to decrease. Everything is getting worst and worst in terms of quality in the development industry. This is... a surprise.

Quality has dropped, people have stopped being passionate about what they make and it’s now just the gold rush to whoever makes the most cash.

In the last 4 months, I posted multiple high demanding commissions. They were extremely well paid and nonetheless, because people were lazy, they never got to the end. Two individuals were hired for a Mythicmobs configuration. Here’s how it went:

First one boasted and proudly claimed about his fantastic expertise with mythicmobs. I hired him and after a day, he contacts me saying all is done and if he wants me to get more stuff I’ll have to pay more. I’m a bit confused but agree to such. I notice the mobs are empty at most and are barely well configured. I made sure to tell this individual such and made sure he’d correct it to be the oustanding quality promised. Second day, same thing. Third day, I had enough. I tell him straight up the quality and product is shit. He’s basically asking for $75 for 300 lines of scripting, which is outrageous. I ask him to tell me how long he worked on it and guess what: 5 hours...

This guy, who couldn’t add particles on a mythicmob, was asking to be paid $15/h for being the absolute worst configurator I’ve ever seen.

Second case, user was more friendly but DELAYED EVERYTHING FOR 2 MONTHS, absolutely trash outcome. I hated it and I hate working with such.

All of this misadventures happened... with configurators. I’ve been one myself so don’t give me the “it takes time” bullshit, it does indeed but not to that extent. And as for plugin development for me to get a partner? Wheeew don’t even get me started.

This is an issue, a gap in the market. If you consider yourself good at something other than management as that’s not any sort of manual skill, contact me

Hope everyone can share their horror stories on here,
Bests,
Ghast

As much as I agree with the lack of quality and passion that has come along, I have to say that there are still countless skilled developers out there, and IMO the drop in development quality is a direct effect from the drop in server ownership quality. Most owners quite frankly don't give a fuck anymore, hence seeing most developers not caring either.

 

[Ghast]

I personally am a developer, but I don't charge for my work. If I do, it goes straight to charity. I've stuck to this for a while because some of the people here are shitty and will try to ruin you.

Oh yeah I’ve and am experiencing this full blown. If you are mentally strong nothing can stop you though.

I’d like to thank everybody who replies. Got some awesome point of view. I honestly just gave up at this point though. Passion has gone away for 99% of the community.