$15 an hour to fast food workers

[Archon]

Sadly people these days dont work beacuse its fun. They do it for the money. Also yes you may get a raise if you so call "bust your but off". Most places dont give any raises for the first 1-3 years of working there and you may get a 1$ raise or even less.

Then they should look for an office job or maybe construction

 

[Dragonfly]

As I am raised as a part of the upper class, I don't believe that this is valid. As it is, fast food workers aren't really doing much and as they might not have this big success story, that is how it is. The upper class is already taxed very heavily and I don't think the lower class deserves it. If they want to make money, they should go out and take a night school, or start a business. Obviously it is not liveable conditions to be in long term, it is good for the working experience. My first job was at an arcade making $6.50 an hour. Honestly, I wasn't in it for the money but for the experience. I enjoyed working there as it was the closest thing I could get to playing a video game and there were plenty of hot girls to talk to. It was short term and now I am looking to make more. What they have to realize is that if they don't put in effort, they will not get compensated. If you're working your butt off, your boss will notice and give you a raise. Just like in school, if a teacher sees you're actually trying, she will cut you some slack on your tests etc. Raising the minimum wage for fast food workers will cause the owners to fire more people resulting in worse service or they will raise the prices. It should stay how it is.

You can't really look for an office job though. Living in the upper and middle class gives people the illusion that getting a non McDonald's job is easy or even possible. I can tell you for a fact, it's not. You can't go out and get an office job if you've lived your life in poverty. You don't have the education, or the social standing to get hired there. Someone else will get the job, and in an area with people living in poverty, such jobs simply don't exist.

 

[Archon]

Office jobs are just the same. My old girl friend worked at a insurance company for 5 years and they gave her a 80 cent raise lmao.

I can disagree. My uncle has been working in an office job and he has a small nice home and a decent looking car[DOUBLEPOST=1463973997][/DOUBLEPOST]

You can't really look for an office job though. Living in the upper and middle class gives people the illusion that getting a non McDonald's job is easy or even possible. I can tell you for a fact, it's not. You can't go out and get an office job if you've lived your life in poverty. You don't have the education, or the social standing to get hired there. Someone else will get the job, and in an area with people living in poverty, such jobs simply don't exist.

How about a nanny job

 

[Ivain]

A reasonable living is about 30-35k a year.


It is, but you're also not an adult. You don't have to pay 1k a month for rent, then another 1k for bills, and for food. Living is a very expensive thing, especially if you have hobbies.

30K per year? dang thats a lot. what does that include, car + tv + vacations?
I've been living solo for almost a year now on about 6K euro (500 per month). Its hard, but its possible.
I've been looking at other costs, and I believe if I made 1500 per month (after taxes) i'd be able to live a comfortable life in an apartment. its all about how you spend it, tbh.
but then, in the US cost may be different.[DOUBLEPOST=1463995313][/DOUBLEPOST]

Finally!
I always try to explain to people that if minimum wage was increased there would be a large amount of inflation, and make other jobs payments go up as well.

Also, another topic that I personally believe is not smart is free college.
Here is my point of view, and take in mind that I am only 15 years old. I know that I don't now all the details, and could be extremely wrong. The last thing I want to be is some kid who acts like they know political affairs more than anyone.
My view:
If college was free, a lot more people would go to college. In return, there would be multiple effects.
The first effect, would be a lot more people capable of performing specialized jobs, and by that I mean jobs that require a college degree. With an overflow of specialized jobs, prices for that job will decrease due to competition increase. A specialized job would no longer be seen as so specialized.

Another effect, would be a huge cut on teacher salaries and a gigantic amount of taxes would go towards paying for other peoples schooling.

Lastly, similar to what was mentioned above, is the economy would inflate and many small businesses would go out of Buisness or make drastic employment cuts. Sure raising minimum wage to $15 might not tremendously hurt the big boys, but it can severely damage smaller, local stores.
A scenario that I would like to point out is the following:
Let's say a young adult is currently making $16 an hour at a store, while his/her fellow cor workers are only making $9. Sure, all the smaller workers would make perhaps $15 an hour, but for the $16 guy/girl, they would be making a far less proportional amount compared to before. Either that or they would also be given a major salary increase. In either situation here, inflation occurs.

That is at least what I think would happen.

As for the free college, I can confirm this. In the Netherlands, we've had college financed by the government for years. They finance about 60% of the costs automatically, then give you 'stufie' (a general grant anyone can apply for) for the rest, including basic living costs so you dont have to work your ass off. It's split up in parts. 1 part is the basic grant of $100 per month that anyone qualifies for, whether they live with their parents or alone. then there's $300 or something for if your parents cannot afford to help you pay for your education, and then there's about $500 in the shape of a pair of loans, that are basically the best loan you'll ever get in your life, since the interest is basically nonexistent. (technically everything except the basic grant is a loan).
it also includes an option for free travel with buses and trains.

this is valid for 4 years (average length of a college/university bachelor study).

additionally, if you complete your study and get a diploma inside 10 years, you dont have to pay back the costs of the free travel or the additional grant (the other 2 loans you do have to pay back).

However, that has had as a result that certain studies, such as psychology, are absolutely flooded. And a lot of people dont complete it anyway.

Recently the government has decided that the additional grant will also be part of the loans you have to pay back anyway. as a result a lot of people have decided not to go to college.
For better or worse, the colleges will not have as much students in the future.

 

[Dragonfly]

I can disagree. My uncle has been working in an office job and he has a small nice home and a decent looking car[DOUBLEPOST=1463973997][/DOUBLEPOST]
How about a nanny job

Hard to get a nanny job when you're in poverty. First off, nobody in poverty lives where people who have the money to hire a nanny live, and those prople wouldn't hire them anyway.
Shattered I live in a two bedroom apartment that tends to randomly fall apart for 13,000$ a year.

 

[Realizm]

$8/hr with 40hr/week = $320
$12/hr with 40hr/week = $480
$15/hr with 40hr/week = $600

Splitting your 40hrs evenly throughout the week, that's about 5.7hrs a day. With a lot of fast food workers having other things such as school on their to-do list.

Highschool hours (roughly):
7:50am to 2:30pm = 6hrs and 40min

Estimating that homework each day takes about 1-2hrs... that's 8hrs and 40min of schooling.

8hrs and 40min - School
5hrs and 42min - Work
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14hrs and 22min everyday for the necessary tasks.

If your day starts at 7:50am that gives you until 10:12pm to finish everything you need to do for school and work.

7:50am to 10:12pm and then you are free for weekdays

7:50am to 1:32pm on weekends assuming you start work at 7:50 as well and complete all of your homework during the weekdays.

Now you see how much money one makes and how much time they have left, what do you think they should be paid?[DOUBLEPOST=1464021316][/DOUBLEPOST]

As I am raised as a part of the upper class, I don't believe that this is valid. As it is, fast food workers aren't really doing much and as they might not have this big success story, that is how it is. The upper class is already taxed very heavily and I don't think the lower class deserves it. If they want to make money, they should go out and take a night school, or start a business. Obviously it is not liveable conditions to be in long term, it is good for the working experience. My first job was at an arcade making $6.50 an hour. Honestly, I wasn't in it for the money but for the experience. I enjoyed working there as it was the closest thing I could get to playing a video game and there were plenty of hot girls to talk to. It was short term and now I am looking to make more. What they have to realize is that if they don't put in effort, they will not get compensated. If you're working your butt off, your boss will notice and give you a raise. Just like in school, if a teacher sees you're actually trying, she will cut you some slack on your tests etc. Raising the minimum wage for fast food workers will cause the owners to fire more people resulting in worse service or they will raise the prices. It should stay how it is.

Idk who told you this, but you're not living in the upper class if you actually worked a $6.50 job and you're looking for better jobs. People in the upper class don't need to work or "look to make more" because they have plenty. Those in the upper class own businesses that run themselves, or have invested into the right things. They don't work, they sign a few papers and hire and fire... that's it.[DOUBLEPOST=1464021327][/DOUBLEPOST]If that...

 

[Ivain]

let's look at it like this. if you have to work 40 hours per week to not starve outside in the cold, you can hardly spend a lot of time learning a new skill. If your only reference is having worked at mcdonalds, you're not likely to get a better job.
since a job at mcdonalds can be quite stressful, you'd need some time to cool down, leaving a max of 20 hours per week to invest in getting a better job, ASSUMING you neglect social contact and stuff like that.

 

[Shattered]

People who work at mcdonalds dont expect to make a career out of it.

It is normally a sidejob, or something to teach kids what the real world is like.

 

[Wut]

Hell no. As Shattered said McDonalds is not meant to be a full-time job.

It's a simple principle of supply vs demand.

There's a lower supply of jobs that take skill, therefore demand for that skill as well as payment goes up.

A saturated job like fast food shouldn't be paid much.

Supply & demand comes into play in most economic scenarios, but I disagree that it should be applied here.

There's still a basic living standard that I think should be met. While supply and demand dictates the value of workers, those at the very bottom have no choice. Either they take the shitty ass job or they starve. Most businesses can afford to increase the minimum wage, and I think that a business that can't shouldn't be in business to start with. If someone can't afford to pay their employees enough to be self sufficient, sure they can go bankrupt.. But the market will push those jobs through elsewhere. Regardless, let's play it safe and increase the min. wage incrementally, to maximize the benefits of the workers, and to minimize the pains of a company.

Before i'm called a libtard, etc. My dad's a business owner & we both attended the Fox republican debate in Detroit as guests of le Cruz.

 

[Sloth]

The sweet irony these fools asking for higher wages have brought forward is their own demise. Companies are starting to put electronical kiosks to replace the workers. If there's no workers the minimum wage means nothing. I for one won't feel sorry for the unemployed workers replaced by robots. Greed goes a long way.