Add average deal amount in reputation info

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Often people consider the amount of reputation you have to be based on how reputable you are, and usually having lots of this means you are more trustworthy. However I flaw I see in this system is that many people tend to reputation farm off small deals, e.g. lots of thread designs or followers services (not directed at anyone) and seems a bit unfair to the high reputation people who work harder for the same 'green ticks'.
I'm not proposing we change this system in any way, however make a small reformation for the better- add average deal amount. Usually these days when adding reputation we add an amount (e.g. if I bought a Minecraft account for 200$, that's the amount I add.) So lets say a person has 3 rep, and has done a 200$ deal, a 50$ and a 70$ deal, they have across all deals averaged an amount of 105$.
As I said, I would rather trust a 40 reputation person who commonly handles 100$+ then an 80 rep with only 10$ deals. It just adds an aspect of realism to our reputation, especially with members who are 'reputable' exit scamming here and there.
ty for reading <3
I dont think this should be too hard to implement and can be shown in the reputation tab somewhere.
 
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I think this could be a worthwhile idea. It could help Middlemen/women show how much money they've transferred, and it could also show who is more expensive at a glance. Can't really see a con to this as of right now.
 

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I think this could be a worthwhile idea. It could help Middlemen/women show how much money they've transferred, and it could also show who is more expensive at a glance. Can't really see a con to this as of right now.
Thanks for feedback. I know people like Zyger has average deal amounts on his website, it's partly where I got inspiration from. It's also for people to really understand how reputable someone is, echoing from my thread how you can have a high reputation and only do 10$ deals which is more deceiving than a 40 rep person doing 100+$ deals, the 80 reputation person has a higher chance of scamming when it comes to large sums of money as they often do not handle these sums.
I must say this isn't targeted at anyone specific.
 

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. It's not really anyone's business how much I spend on average, this could also lead to people trying to oversell things when you have a relatively high average amount of spending.
This might be because I'm pretty new here but I don't see how it being the first time dealing with a big amount means a higher risk of scamming. If this was true you'd see a lot of high amounts on the scam reports but most of those are between 2-50$ from what I've seen.
 

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I'm not sure how I feel about this. It's not really anyone's business how much I spend on average, this could also lead to people trying to oversell things when you have a relatively high average amount of spending.
This might be because I'm pretty new here but I don't see how it being the first time dealing with a big amount means a higher risk of scamming. If this was true you'd see a lot of high amounts on the scam reports but most of those are between 2-50$ from what I've seen.
We’re both speaking from personal experience, most of the scam reports aren’t seen because the user is banned immediately. If you really want to so, I suggest you go onto banned users. Only scam reports ongoing are the ones which users actually try dispute the claim.
 

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I'd say this is a bad idea. Most people transfer both large sums and smalls sums of money all the time. If they do a lot of $300+ deals but also do a lot of <$15 deals, then their average will end up being fairly low when really they can be trusted with >$300
 

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While I'm not against this, I don't feel this would be particularly accurate. The majority of feedbacks I see don't even have a transacted fund amount on them. If this were to happen, I'd prefer that it be as accurate as possible, but as we don't require monetary transactions to happen in order for feedback to be posted we cannot require that field be filled out.
 

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Something similar to this, such as a system that shows how much the user has dealt with, would be better(imo). A low average doesn't necessarily mean the user isn't trustworthy, more a high reputation but a low amount dealt with. Graphic designers could charge $5 per logo and do 80 logos, just cause they have an average of $5 doesn't mean they aren't trustworthy. But if someone is doing a deal that handles $500 and in total on MCM they have only done $50 in transactions, that could mean something. This is a good concept but idk how it would be executed.
 

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I mean this seems like an interesting idea, but I think Zyger's idea is a better one.
 

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I don't see how the total/average amount of money someone dealt with makes them more trusting. Seems like having this would turn into a competition and be a way to "flex" on others. I hate the idea that numbers mean everything... When doing a deal, you need to look into that individual in detail. Not just how many positive ratings they have or how much they've earned. Having this would not help the idea that numbers aren't everything. I would argue on what keeps it being abused but reporting the feedback and having the Feedback Moderators look into it will suffice as countering it. Additionally, I've earned much more than the suggested total/average on my reputation page.

Personally, I don't care how much money one dealt with. I'll look into them regardless and decide from there if I want to deal with them.

I simply don't like promoting the idea, "Hey this guy dealt with over $600! We should go to him!" I'm going to have to disagree but I'm open to persuasion (using cake to persuade me is cheating, don't try it...). How will this feature be beneficial to the community? How does the amount of money someone dealt with provide input to the buyer's choice on which seller to go to?
 

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I don't see how the total/average amount of money someone dealt with makes them more trusting. Seems like having this would turn into a competition and be a way to "flex" on others. I hate the idea that numbers mean everything... When doing a deal, you need to look into that individual in detail. Not just how many positive ratings they have or how much they've earned. Having this would not help the idea that numbers aren't everything. I would argue on what keeps it being abused but reporting the feedback and having the Feedback Moderators look into it will suffice as countering it. Additionally, I've earned much more than the suggested total/average on my reputation page.

Personally, I don't care how much money one dealt with. I'll look into them regardless and decide from there if I want to deal with them.

I simply don't like promoting the idea, "Hey this guy dealt with over $600! We should go to him!" I'm going to have to disagree but I'm open to persuasion (using cake to persuade me is cheating, don't try it...). How will this feature be beneficial to the community? How does the amount of money someone dealt with provide input to the buyer's choice on which seller to go to?

well, many middlemen already flex this, just look at Violet :p .
 

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I don't see how the total/average amount of money someone dealt with makes them more trusting. Seems like having this would turn into a competition and be a way to "flex" on others. I hate the idea that numbers mean everything... When doing a deal, you need to look into that individual in detail. Not just how many positive ratings they have or how much they've earned. Having this would not help the idea that numbers aren't everything. I would argue on what keeps it being abused but reporting the feedback and having the Feedback Moderators look into it will suffice as countering it. Additionally, I've earned much more than the suggested total/average on my reputation page.

Personally, I don't care how much money one dealt with. I'll look into them regardless and decide from there if I want to deal with them.

I simply don't like promoting the idea, "Hey this guy dealt with over $600! We should go to him!" I'm going to have to disagree but I'm open to persuasion (using cake to persuade me is cheating, don't try it...). How will this feature be beneficial to the community? How does the amount of money someone dealt with provide input to the buyer's choice on which seller to go to?
You've got it wrong. This is MC-Market. Clients look at the lowest price point to choose who to deal with. Cheap > Quality & Speed
 

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You've got it wrong. This is MC-Market. Clients look at the lowest price point to choose who to deal with. Cheap > Quality & Speed

true lol, sad but true. But it still could be a useful piece of info for middlemen/women and just overall really.
 

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While I'm not against this, I don't feel this would be particularly accurate. The majority of feedbacks I see don't even have a transacted fund amount on them. If this were to happen, I'd prefer that it be as accurate as possible, but as we don't require monetary transactions to happen in order for feedback to be posted we cannot require that field be filled out.
Holllyyyy, how new are you? The reason they dont have an amount is because they are old reps... it is now required
 

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Back about a year ago we introduced some pretty radical changes to the way that we handle reputation. We made all reputation left by banned members be marked as uncounted in your reputation totals and disabled the reporting functionality to reduce abuse and targeted. The changes that we made were certainly controversial at the time, but looking back I'm a firm believer that the changes we made back then were the best that we could have made.

Our reputation system is very far from being perfect in its current state, and we fully recognise that. Since it's introduction we've changed many policies and spent countless hours developing new custom systems, such as disputing feedback.

At the moment we aren't planning to do any more development for our site until we can migrate to XF2. We're also not going to be making any changes to our policies surrounding reputation. Our system is stable at the moment, and making a change now when we're going to be redeveloping everything shortly isn't beneficial. Perhaps once we move to XF2 and have fixed all the bugs that come with that and have more time for some new development and to consider the impact that instituting new policies will result in.

Until then, I'll move this to denied. Once we migrate to XF2 if you feel that this is still relevant please create a new suggestion thread and we can look into it once again. Thank you to everyone for your support and criticism of our systems, it is definitely the best way for us to improve.

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