Additions to personal details

[utaninja]

Two suggestions:

1. Gender should have an option for non-binary and a list should be taken from another LGBTQ website with most commonly used genders and have an option to select those.
2. There should be a pronoun option to select from. (they/them, he/him, she/her, other)

 

[Ambrosia]

You're getting mad for no reason. Gender/pronouns are not needed on a [Censored] site in which people buy and sell items. There is no need in asking for gender at all, to be honest, because the site does not need to know nor do potential buyers/sellers/employers (unless they ask and you are comfortable with providing it).

 

[MCLaraTeam]

I think it is not necessary to add something like that since in itself this is a market more than anything and that is its function.

 

[Justis]

A thread suggesting this is already open: https://www.mc-market.org/threads/652077/

I’ll quote the relevant portions of my response to that thread because I’m still of the belief that no better solution has been offered:

If we introduce this, we’ll be inherently encouraging that people put their preferred pronouns in this designated feature. Encouraging something when we know that it will lead to an increased risk of harassment and discrimination, not just on site, but off-site where we are helpless to reach, is something I’m uncomfortable with. Currently, if someone wants to choose to specify their pronouns on their profile, then there’s nothing stopping them from doing that, but at least MCM isn’t encouraging that they do so.

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We are a marketplace. The only thing anyone needs to know about you in order to conduct themselves in a marketplace is whether or not you’re good at what you do, and that’s all they should be judging you by. I want to avoid a situation where someone sees that you’ve selected "non-binary" as your gender option, and chooses not to deal with you. I want to avoid a situation where someone sees "female" as your gender option, and chooses not to deal with you. Hell, I even want to avoid a situation where someone sees "male" as your gender option, and chooses not to deal with you. Gender should have no basis within our marketplace, just as your race, color, national origin and religion should have no basis within our marketplace.

If someone wants to know, then they can ask you directly and you can judge for yourself at that moment whether you want to tell them or refuse. It’s not that much trouble. If you really really want, you can always put it on your profile via other means. But at least then, MCM hasn’t prompted or encouraged you to do so.

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I hate that we continue to perpetuate the idea that gender is necessary, that you not only need to have one, but that you do have one, and if you don’t know what it is, then you just haven’t identified it yet.
It’s damaging, and leads to dysphoria as people genuinely believe there’s something wrong with them for not being able to apply a label to their understanding of who they are. Even for people who are able to identify as either of the standard "male" or "female", it actually communicates no reliable additional information about you whatsoever. Nothing. Truly and honestly, it is empty information, and yet it causes so much pain and discrimination and ceaseless arguing and even death.

If we can, as a platform at least, stop perpetuating the idea that gender is necessary or important information to convey, at least to the point of having its own dedicated input field on our public profiles, then I believe we’ll be taking a step in the right direction. A step towards equality, and the idea that we’re all just people. That’s what really matters.

When this suggestion was last made, a swarm of folks went around insisting to be referred to using non-standard pronouns, acting excessively disrespected and outraged when they were met with resistance. Presumably, they were intentionally trying to paint a controlling and ill-tempered image onto those who genuinely identify with other labels. Sometimes their disingenuousness was obvious, other times it wasn't. Many suspensions were issued. The difficulty of moderation aside, it was only hurtful to the trans and non-binary community, and our community’s willingness to be welcoming and receptive to anyone who requests certain pronouns.

It’s not fair, and it’s disgusting that there are people who would find enjoyment in intentionally sabotaging the acceptance of others like that. Unfortunately, when this suggestion was made, the same thing once again occurred. It would seem our community is not mature enough to handle an adult conversation on the subject.

Moving this thread to denied to avoid duplication. The previous thread was locked automatically due to having not received a reply in six months. I’ve unlocked it now so that discussion may continue there, but it will be locked again and restricted to votes only if respectful conversation proves too much too much to ask.