Allow non-ranked users to sell ranked minecraft accounts

[Reversi]

I have talked about this in a support thread, however I still do believe that all users should be allowed to sell minecraft accounts. Not OG accounts or Cape accounts but most of the users on mc-market have an account or two with a rank they would like to sell.

Ranked accounts would sell for cheap, unless it had a cape and/or og name, which would honestly benefit mc-market since a lot more members have minecraft account then any skills in development, designs/graphics, building, and more. The selling of minecraft accounts is the one thing that almost every user can do, yet they are restricted from doing so.

From what I'm aware only ranked users can make a thread selling an account due to the amount of scams and amount of scams resolved. Although account theft is very easily done, it is more common for users to scam for a large sum of money then cheap ranked accounts. Just allowing users with mc accounts linked to their profile to sell ranked accounts is my suggestions.

A lot of things can be done to prevent scamming such as middlemans, being more aware when buying or selling, etc. In all honesty, I do believe that the person who gets scammed is a little at fault when they are scammed unless they did all they could to prevent it.

Putting a certain amount of reactions / posts / messages / age of mcmarket account would make a big difference when allowing non-ranked members to sell a minecraft account and reduce the chances of being scammed.

(Yes, it probably would have been easier to buy a premium then make this thread, but I'm broke and maybe I can sell my ranked account for some money to buy premium :rofl

But this is a legitimate suggestion and I would appreciate it if people consider it.

 

[Improper]

So I need to pay $10 to sell a $5 account. And it seems like a lot more people then just me agree with this thread. I am not denying that I made this thread because I want to sell an account as a non-premium/supreme member, but I also made this thread because I know other non-donor members would like to sell their accounts as well. Not to mention the masses of players that play using cracked launchers since they can not afford a full account.

Minecraft is a game for ages 8 and up, and after a while, sooner or later, most players will quit. It would benefit both the mc-market community if members could sell their accounts for cheap to those who can not afford a new $30 account. Your reply seems a bit more bias due to the fact that there has been scams in the past, nor did you reply to my suggestion about having a middleman to reduce the possibility of scam. Introducing a middleman could definitely pretty much reduce scamming by at least 90% and double the amount of people in the ranked accounts section. The only reason you are claiming that this will not benefit mcm is due to the high scam risk, which is a very true, but if you put strict requirements in place this would definitely change that for the better, since on a minecraft market, what is the one thing everyone will have? A minecraft account.

(if you do reply, especially about the middleman section reducing scams by 90%, if the buyer were to pay the middleman, and the seller were to give the account to the middleman and allow him to change the account security questions email and password, the only possible method to scam is if the middleman were to run off and ditch or if the seller were to take this to mojang. - 90%)



What's to stop premiums and supremes from doing this? The current system in place has nothing to stop what you just stated, so whether my suggestion is implemented or not, the trainwreck is still there.
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What's more is almost all the disagrees are by premiums and supremes while the agrees are between both members and premiums/supremes. I'm just saying let some people sell an account for a quick dollar or two. Pretty sure I won't even be able to afford premium with the amount of money I make off my account if I do get to sell it.

The supreme and premium requirement on account restriction is probably there to reduce scamming as the member will lose a $10 - $25 rank on mcm and be banned permanently if they do scam. This does benefit mcm as they make money, but in terms of scamming, if the same restrictions or even stricter restrictions are put in place whether or not a member has supreme or premium, it will still reduce the chances of scamming. I'm only suggesting that ranked accounts be available to members since ranked accounts whether they have $1000's in donations or just $5 they will sell for cheap and much less then its worth being banned on mcm.

If a player donates money to the site and they scam, They lose money; Thats why MOST premiums dont scam. You are going to have to come to deal with the fact that some things you just have to pay for, I dont care about the 'loads of people' using cracked launchers because if they cant afford an account thats not my fuckin problem, Middlemen are a pain in the ass. The only way I can see this working is if the user has a minimum of 750 messages and 6 months on the forum to sell accounts, and even then 6 months aint much.

 

[Reversi]

If a player donates money to the site and they scam, They lose money; Thats why MOST premiums dont scam. You are going to have to come to deal with the fact that some things you just have to pay for, I dont care about the 'loads of people' using cracked launchers because if they cant afford an account thats not my fuckin problem, Middlemen are a pain in the ass. The only way I can see this working is if the user has a minimum of 750 messages and 6 months on the forum to sell accounts, and even then 6 months aint much.

If they did what you did and scammed with a load of alts they would basically just be more trusted since people would think that they would lose money like you said, when they actually probably made a hundred times the amount it costs for premium ... Most og accounts sell for more then $10 - $25 and can even go up to a thousand.

Your disagree reasons seem more like a personal problem. This is a suggestion for mcm and all its users.

I dont care about the 'loads of people' using cracked launchers because if they cant afford an account thats not my fuckin problem, Middlemen are a pain in the ass.

Your claims are all over the place, nor do they even make sense. Accounts that have capes or og names sell for more then it costs for premium or supreme (real minecon capes) so just because a premium or supreme "loses money" if they scam, they most likely make more money then they lose. Honestly, I have no clue why you are ranting, if you are going to disagree then do it reasonably with claims and counter-claims.

And I said using middleman / middlemen would reduce the chances of being scammed, if you want to take your chances and give your seller the benefit of the doubt, by all means go ahead. I'm suggesting that middleman should be highly reccommended when selling accounts.

The only way I can see this working is if the user has a minimum of 750 messages and 6 months on the forum to sell accounts, and even then 6 months aint much.

Finally, this part makes no sense. Anyone can spam messages to get to 750 and make an account and wait for 6 months. This is definitely not a Strict requirement.

This would be like a normal requirement suggestion I make. Maybe double the reactions and months if its really strict.
6 Months, 1000+ messages, 0 warnings, 0 suspensions, 0 links to banned accounts, 250+ positive reactions (likes, informatives, winners, No funnies, disagrees, etc), linked minecraft account, over 90% positive in the reputation tabs of their accounts.

 

[Improper]

If they did what you did and scammed with a load of alts they would basically just be more trusted since people would think that they would lose money like you said, when they actually probably made a hundred times the amount it costs for premium ... Most og accounts sell for more then $10 - $25 and can even go up to a thousand.

Your disagree reasons seem more like a personal problem. This is a suggestion for mcm and all its users.

Your claims are all over the place, nor do they even make sense. Accounts that have capes or og names sell for more then it costs for premium or supreme (real minecon capes) so just because a premium or supreme "loses money" if they scam, they most likely make more money then they lose. Honestly, I have no clue why you are ranting, if you are going to disagree then do it reasonably with claims and counter-claims.

And I said using middleman / middlemen would reduce the chances of being scammed, if you want to take your chances and give your seller the benefit of the doubt, by all means go ahead. I'm suggesting that middleman should be highly reccommended when selling accounts.


Finally, this part makes no sense. Anyone can spam messages to get to 750 and make an account and wait for 6 months. This is definitely not a Strict requirement.

This would be like a normal requirement suggestion I make. Maybe double the reactions and months if its really strict.
6 Months, 1000+ messages, 0 warnings, 0 suspensions, 0 links to banned accounts, 250+ positive reactions (likes, informatives, winners, No funnies, disagrees, etc), linked minecraft account, over 90% positive in the reputation tabs of their accounts.

Here is why you are wrong in every character of this post.
1. I didnt say middleman wouldnt reduce the scam rate, I said they are a pain in the ass as they have to change the security questions before they pass it on to the buyer, Then the buyer has to change them; Some accounts dont even allow you to do this for security reasons.
2. I would assume that if an account has spammed for 750 useless posts and done nothing else on the forum moderators/admins would catch on....
3. If this were to be implimented they would need their own section; "High Risk Sellers"
4. If ya make so much money from selling og's why dont you stop bitching and buy premium and sell your accounts the way they were intended to be sold; By legitimate hard working players through a premium forum, Thats the point of having the premium rank; if you could sell OG's as a non premium there would be no point to buying premium.
5. No - //thread

 

[Doge]

So I need to pay $10 to sell a $5 account.

No, you need to pay $10 to sell any minecraft account. The price you are selling for is irrelevant.

And it seems like a lot more people then just me agree with this thread.

Yes, and a lot more people disagree with it. Obviously non-premium members will agree because they want things without paying for it despite the fact that the scam reports that will come from it will be a huge burden on everyone.

I am not denying that I made this thread because I want to sell an account as a non-premium/supreme member, but I also made this thread because I know other non-donor members would like to sell their accounts as well.

If they want to sell their accounts, they can buy premium. Simple as that.

Not to mention the masses of players that play using cracked launchers since they can not afford a full account.

Firstly, that is not our problem at all and if they can afford internet access and a computer, they can afford a full price minecraft account. If not, they can buy one elsewhere. This is not the only forum that has people selling minecraft accounts on it.

Minecraft is a game for ages 8 and up, and after a while, sooner or later, most players will quit. It would benefit both the mc-market community if members could sell their accounts for cheap to those who can not afford a new $30 account.

You must be at least 13 years of age to use this forum. We have plenty of members actively posting and buying/selling minecraft accounts. All of those people aren't going to spontaneously quit. Obviously people leave and people join, but so far the overall number is just growing larger and I'm not making that up, I've actually seen the statistics.

Your reply seems a bit more bias due to the fact that there has been scams in the past, nor did you reply to my suggestion about having a middleman to reduce the possibility of scam.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement. When I say why something isn't going to work, I don't pull things out of my ass and make speculations much like many points made by you in this thread, but rather I base it off my experience. In fact, I'm the one who helped create a system and rules to bring Minecraft account sales back and so far it's been a huge success.

Introducing a middleman could definitely pretty much reduce scamming by at least 90% and double the amount of people in the ranked accounts section.

We already have a working system which we slaved away to create and we're not going to waste time and resources to do some middleman thing which is a huge liability for us just because you want to sell your rank account.

I won't be replying anymore because this suggestion will not be implemented, and I see no reason to continue countering your baseless claims.

 

[_Eli]

I disagree, non-ranked users shouldn't be allowed to sell accounts in the current account section. Even if you did something like that it won't work out and will just cause more chaos you'll just have to suck it up and pay the $10 dollars. However, that does not mean there isn't a way to sell accounts.

• There could be a new sub forum for MC Accounts and the description could specifically state that any transactions done through this sub forum is exempt from scam reports. Meaning that there's a high chance of being scammed and if you are you can't do anything about it. (Highly unlikely)
• There could be a trusted selling sub forum for users without ranks and users with ranks or users who are already trusted could determine who is white listed in this forum. That would create a new staff member job though unless Doge controlled it. (Possibility)
• Another idea is to be able to make a pop-up displaying a BIN for your account if you hover over it with your cursor. (Hover over the name of the account in your Profile Accounts:.) (Possibility)
• Or just pay the $10 fee to sell accounts. And if you can't get $10 get a loan and buy Premium and sell your accounts and pay off the loan.

 

[Marth]

you'd be surprised how many people scam for $2

Edit: Doge said it first too

 

[Reversi]

Spoiler: Since it would be a waste to back-space this 10 minutes

No, you need to pay $10 to sell any minecraft account. The price you are selling for is irrelevant.

Ok, it seems like you aren't understanding what I'm saying. I'm claiming that most ranked accounts will have terrible names and no cape, with a rank on some random server whether it totals up to tens of thousands in ranks or a VIP on hypixel, used ranked accounts will not be worth much. (unless OG names / capes / etc)

Yes, and a lot more people disagree with it. Obviously non-premium members will agree because they want things without paying for it despite the fact that the scam reports that will come from it will be a huge burden on everyone.

If you look at the list of votes, the votes are all premium/supreme for the disagrees discluding 1 and the votes in agree are split 80/20 between both normal users and premium/supreme users.

Firstly, that is not our problem at all and if they can afford internet access and a computer, they can afford a full price minecraft account. If not, they can buy one elsewhere. This is not the only forum that has people selling minecraft accounts on it.

You're claiming if they can afford internet access and a computer, they can afford a minecraft account, while in the next statement you contradict yourself by saying that they must be 13 years of age, which indicates their computer and internet access is provided by their guardian/parent.

You must be at least 13 years of age to use this forum. We have plenty of members actively posting and buying/selling minecraft accounts. All of those people aren't going to spontaneously quit. Obviously people leave and people join, but so far the overall number is just growing larger and I'm not making that up, I've actually seen the statistics.

I'm not claiming mc-market is declining, I'm just saying that eventually minecraft players will one-day quit and it would be helpful if they could sell their accounts here for a cheap dollar or two when that time does come.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement. When I say why something isn't going to work, I don't pull things out of my ass and make speculations much like many points made by you in this thread, but rather I base it off my experience. In fact, I'm the one who helped create a system and rules to bring Minecraft account sales back and so far it's been a huge success.

I never claimed that you were stating opinions or false facts, I said that you were bias and not just were but seemed. I can't deny that the current minecraft accounts sales are a huge success, but looking back at the past where the minecraft accounts forums was open, with not as many restrictions, to when it closed down, then when it was reopened - now, there was never a point where the strict restrictions I mentioned was implemented to allow normal users to sell their accounts.

We already have a working system which we slaved away to create and we're not going to waste time and resources to do some middleman thing which is a huge liability for us just because you want to sell your rank account.

I won't be replying anymore because this suggestion will not be implemented, and I see no reason to continue countering your baseless claims.

Honestly, this is rather unfortunate since now it's confirmed I can't sell my account but, this suggestion was for the mcm's community, and based on the replies and reactions, the agrees had more spread between both donators and non-donator users. The only reason I can see why this suggestion is being denied, is due to the amount of work being required to create this + sales in premium/supreme + scam risk. From what you are saying, you never denied the possibility of my suggestion working, you only pushed the fact that you have a working system and you are not interested in changing it.

I make an entire response, then at the very end in that last sentance, Doge is like "I'm not responding anymore". Well at least move or lock this thread. I actually spent time reading and responding to your post. Rip response.