Ban "service teams"

[Clown]

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There are too many of them with no purpose , i don't think anyone in his sane mind would go with a service team , which would require joining their discord creating a ticket waiting for a quote paying the owner and then waiting to get the project done

Plus i dont like people getting money off nothing

 

[AUCodeDev]

Service teams are ok.
Banning them? Definitely not.
Restricting them? Yes, but only a bit. (really just restricting their copy paste ads is good enough)

 

[Steampunk]

Personally I think they shouldn't ban them but restrict them with the amount of percentage they give to freelancers. Maybe like minimum 85% to freelancers.

 

[Ty]

whats the point in restricting them or banning them, that's just a waste of time for mcm.. if freelancers care about their rates they simply don't join the team unless it matches their expectations... same with clients, if they don't want to use a service team, don't.

 

[Lexxonist]

Personally I think they shouldn't ban them but restrict them with the amount of percentage they give to freelancers. Maybe like minimum 85% to freelancers.

85% is a good rate, it's usually what I use but that wouldn't work, services teams don't just live off of mc-market, most of them also advertise elsewhere, and thus they'd just leave.

 

[Steampunk]

whats the point in restricting them or banning them, that's just a waste of time for mcm.. if freelancers care about their rates they simply don't join the team unless it matches their expectations... same with clients, if they don't want to use a service team, don't.

Lots of service teams start off with like "90% goes to freelancers" then when they do a commison they take more money

 

[Ty]

Lots of service teams start off with like "90% goes to freelancers" then when they do a commison they take more money

Then get proof, neg rep them or even just devouch them with the evidence and leave the team. I mean this is what I'd do, people might disagree but this is more of a community thing, not MCM

 

[Mr_Jacksonville]

Do I hate service teams? No. I think they are a great way for those who need services to have a variety to choose from and to have everything they need in one go, eliminating the need for cross-communication.

Now do I despise service teams because they are essentially my competition? Yes. I will admit that, but I also have a nonprofit that helps people start their own businesses, so I have mixed feelings for them.

I feel like MC-Market has done a great job at providing a platform for businesses to be established and to be grown, but at the same time, have a large audience (debatable) that doesn't have much contact with the real business world. Thus, we got ourselves here. The banning of service teams.

In capitalistic countries that we are in right now, there is pretty much no limits on how much money one can make and the method of obtaining money so long as it is legal. So in truth, you can own a business such as a service team, and sit back and relax while the freelancers do most of the work. It's what investments are and that's pretty much how it goes. Someone has the money, so they spend it to help some businesses be established (in this case, provide gigs to freelancers), and when the businesses grow big and receive large amounts of income, they get a good chunk of dividend (in this case, commission such as 15% of the charge to clients). It's just the way it works and you can't really judge one method of investment without looking at the broad spectrum (are you going to ban BTC as well because you do nothing while the rest of BTC holders are doing the work of buying BTC to create demand?). It's a little too extreme and makes the argument an invalid point.

If you are a client that needs service, you have the choice of going to a freelancer or a team. Who would you choose? Freelancers usually are dedicated towards a specific field, whereas teams cut the cross-communication that you'd have to deal with when you have multiple freelancers for different types of services. Should you have the freedom to choose? Yes. Should teams be banned? No. How do you get your needs serviced? GET A QUOTE. It's no different when it comes to that if you are comparing teams and freelancers.

So you say you'd have to be insane to go with teams, I'd repeat that to the thousands of businesses who choose teams to work with in the real world. Please open up your mind a little bit and consider the different arguments. Thanks.

 

[Sloth]

I understand that there are a lot of service teams out there that are run horribly and often times don't deliver the service they're providing as expected, but that doesn't mean we should punish the other teams that are functioning properly. Alongside this, if the people working within a service team are content, why force them to change their business strategy?

 

[KingOfAsgard]

this is literally the stupidest thread ive ever seen

 

[Chearful]

Complete list of everything I find wrong with service teams which may have been mentioned above

- Their copy/paste ads with no real thought into what they are posting, often oblivious to the thread itself (looking at you, 'sales reps'...)

- Their recruitment threads. Some service teams are literally starting up out of the blue and on day one - in the same section - they have a recruiting and an offering thread.

- Their Discords. No one should have to leave the site to facilitate a deal. Service teams leave little to no information unless you join their Discord.

- The fact there's so many of them. Not really something that can be controlled - but wtf. Everyone owns a service team at this point and it's just completely drained out all competition.


Whilst I don't think a full on ban is necessary to control them, I believe that there should be less leniency when it comes to service teams.

- Completely disallow copy/paste responses, including ones with subtle changes

- Disallow the posting of Discord invites to receive a quote. Include an approximate price on the thread before posting a Discord link

- Possibly add quotas as to how many posts a particular team can make in a section per day. Might get a bit of backlash for this, but it'd encourage quality posting

 

[Clown]

Complete list of everything I find wrong with service teams which may have been mentioned above

- Their copy/paste ads with no real thought into what they are posting, often oblivious to the thread itself (looking at you, 'sales reps'...)

- Their recruitment threads. Some service teams are literally starting up out of the blue and on day one - in the same section - they have a recruiting and an offering thread.

- Their Discords. No one should have to leave the site to facilitate a deal. Service teams leave little to no information unless you join their Discord.

- The fact there's so many of them. Not really something that can be controlled - but wtf. Everyone owns a service team at this point and it's just completely drained out all competition.


Whilst I don't think a full on ban is necessary to control them, I believe that there should be less leniency when it comes to service teams.

- Completely disallow copy/paste responses, including ones with subtle changes

- Disallow the posting of Discord invites to receive a quote. Include an approximate price on the thread before posting a Discord link

- Possibly add quotas as to how many posts a particular team can make in a section per day. Might get a bit of backlash for this, but it'd encourage quality posting

Finally someone with a triple digit iq on the site

 

[Kuchy]

Disallow the posting of Discord invites to receive a quote. Include an approximate price on the thread before posting a Discord link

I agree with everything you said but this. The only issue of this is that most of the time clients don't give enough information to start with so freelancers have to ask for this information to give an accurate quote. Sometimes the client and/or freelancer doesn't want to disclose how much they payed/received. If the client does give enough information and a quote is stated publicly, then there might be an outbid war. Service teams and freelancers will attempt to outbid each other to get the client. I don't work for a service team, and never will, but most freelancers like me require clients to either add them on discord or pm them on site to receive a quote. We don't disclose quotes publicly unless allowed by the client. Quotes should be private between client and freelancer.

Now if the client explicitly says in the thread to leave a quote then that's a whole different story. Requiring it would not be appropriate on MC-Market's part.

 

[xUni]

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There are too many of them with no purpose , i don't think anyone in his sane mind would go with a service team , which would require joining their discord creating a ticket waiting for a quote paying the owner and then waiting to get the project done

Plus i dont like people getting money off nothing

ehh theres a service that caught my eyes
if you ban them ill ban you (no)
I found a good service which can do affordable custom builds which I really need for my server.

 

[Chearful]

I agree with everything you said but this. The only issue of this is that most of the time clients don't give enough information to start with so freelancers have to ask for this information to give an accurate quote. Sometimes the client and/or freelancer doesn't want to disclose how much they payed/received. If the client does give enough information and a quote is stated publicly, then there might be an outbid war. Service teams and freelancers will attempt to outbid each other to get the client. I don't work for a service team, and never will, but most freelancers like me require clients to either add them on discord or pm them on site to receive a quote. We don't disclose quotes publicly unless allowed by the client. Quotes should be private between client and freelancer.

Now if the client explicitly says in the thread to leave a quote then that's a whole different story. Requiring it would not be appropriate on MC-Market's part.

I don't see a reason why there would be an issue as such with providing quotes. Even if it is just a rough idea of what would be charged based on the info given - or asking for more info if needed. Besides, when the service team inevitably begs the user for rep, you're required to state how much $ was transacted so in the end it ends up not being that much of a secret

 

[Kuchy]

I don't see a reason why there would be an issue as such with providing quotes. Even if it is just a rough idea of what would be charged based on the info given - or asking for more info if needed. Besides, when the service team inevitably begs the user for rep, you're required to state how much $ was transacted so in the end it ends up not being that much of a secret

Well sure that would be an exception but still just requiring the quote publicly by mcm is a bit excessive. If the client wants a quote then and there, he/she should state that on their thread.

 

[Ivain]

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There are too many of them with no purpose , i don't think anyone in his sane mind would go with a service team , which would require joining their discord creating a ticket waiting for a quote paying the owner and then waiting to get the project done

Plus i dont like people getting money off nothing

Well-run service teams aren't generally a problem. They take a percentage because they organize and find clients. The team I'm currently associated with (not a full member) has basically doubled the amount of commission offers I've received in the past few months. As long as some of those are worthwhile the percentage is not a major issue.

The main issue you have seems to be with the poorly run 'service teams' and the clones of clones of clones. Teams that start off before they've even really recruited anyone.