Banned Player Re-Implementation Program

[James 1]

Hi there, my name is James, and I'm here to suggest an idea of re-implementing banned users, the same way convicts are allowed back into society after a duration of time.


So let's get started. I wanted to start a new "program" that could possibly bring back some old people who have done wrong, and give them a second chance to do right.


These are the terms I have thought of

- After one year (the time can be negotiated) of serving the ban the user would then receive some form of notification asking him if he would like to try The Re-implementation program.

If the user declines, he/she will be banned again, and given the same opportunity the following year.

If he chooses to accept, the user would then be given a specific tag that only allows him to submit support tickets. In that support ticket he would explain why he/she has decided to come back. The moderator would then proceed by reviewing the reason why he/she was banned and then request the user to return the funds stolen from the victim.

~ If the user declines, he will be banned again, and he will be given the same opportunity the following year

~ If the user accepts, and pays back the person who he/she scammed, they may be granted access to the forums but with a special tag (ie Probation) showing that he/she has previously scammed other people. (The tag would serve as warning to users when going into a deal)

After 10 months (the time can be negotiated) has passed, the probation tag will be removed, and he/she will revert to being a normal member. (Or the tag could be there forever)

- In the event that the user decides to scam once again after being given the opportunity to return to being a normal member, they will be added to a specific list in which they may never be allowed to return to MC-Market ever again.


Thank you for reading, I hope you judge this as unbiasedly as humanely possible. In the event you do not like the idea, please explain why, and give some examples as to how you would change the initial concept.

 

[asa]

Kiwi - Why did you disagree?

Because it's a shit suggestion

 

[Shroomy]

Defiantly think this should be implemented, but not for scammers. Like people who were banned for multi-accounting, but did nothing wrong in the long run.

What if their other account got banned for scamming?

 

[Kiwi]

Kiwi - Why did you disagree?

Just doesn't seem smart to allow banned users back. Who's to say they won't simply go inactive until their probation is up then scam again?

 

[James 1]

Because it's a shit suggestion

Again, Please re-read my initial post as you don't seem to understand that the only way for them to be even considered of being allowed to comeback is if they return the initial money that they stole. If they don't, then we won't have to deal with them for another year.[DOUBLEPOST=1465354322][/DOUBLEPOST]

Just doesn't seem smart to allow banned users back. Who's to say they won't simply go inactive until their probation is up then scam again?

Then we could enforce some form of policy, specifically targeting users that may try this.

 

[James 1]

Maybe, but only to those members who have been banned from harassment or breaking rules not in the form of scamming (scammers ought to be banned forever).

The only reason why they would be unbanned is if they decide to undo their wrong doings by repaying the victims[DOUBLEPOST=1465356383][/DOUBLEPOST]M6Gaming and SoldierAlex - Please explain why you rated disagree

 

[M6Gaming]

I was going to respond either way.

What you are requesting is rather complicated. This whole unban review process? See here's the thing - It's easy to do for a Server. But for a whole Marketplace? It's very hard to make the right calls and value the safety of our Members.

I am allowing appeals considering the MCM SMP Server no matter the offence, as I know mistakes will be made the first week as everyone needs to settle in. However, we already do allow appeals to made through Support Requests.

The fact that we have never unbanned a Scammer raises a very bold statement. Members are Banned for reasons left to right; Scamming, Charging Back (on Rank, Color, Donation towards MCM), Excessive Violation of Rules, Advertising (Covers Spam Bots), etc.

However, your suggestion is mostly around the subject of Scammers -
Not a single Scammer will be unbanned just because, "they refund a payment". I hope you realize Members always try playing that card. Once you scam, you're done - You aren't returning.

It was your fault for Scamming, you live the punishment that comes with it.

 

[James 1]

I was going to respond either way.

What you are requesting is rather complicated.

What do you think is complicated about it? Setting up the system to send a message out to a member once a year or seeing if the members will give the money they stole back in order to try to get implemented back into the community?[DOUBLEPOST=1465357340][/DOUBLEPOST]avsterbone Seb1 - Why did you disagree to this?

 

[M6Gaming]

There are a couple members still on this forum that were banned and exit scammed me but are back now (not going to name names because they have refunded me already and I do believe they are legitimate now).

So a word of caution to you all, there are still unbanned members who have scammed before on this forum.

Highly doubt that.

Please show us proof as I hold more faith in the System.

 

[James 1]

Seb1 Why would you disagree my comment? Also, what is your reasoning behind disagreeing with the post?[DOUBLEPOST=1465358042][/DOUBLEPOST]

This sounds like a good idea in my head, however if you think into the future Minecraft will most likely be dead and those who used to play it will have probably moved onto other things. I think this would require so many resources and the reward would be very slim.

So then why did you rate disagree? Define so many resources? If you mean staff, I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to do the job.

 

[SoldierAlex]

The only reason why they would be unbanned is if they decide to undo their wrong doings by repaying the victims[DOUBLEPOST=1465356383][/DOUBLEPOST]M6Gaming and SoldierAlex - Please explain why you rated disagree

I disagree because when you're banned it's not because staff hates you, it's because you broke a rule that is clearly stated. If you broke a rule once who's to say you won't do it again?

I also don't see the point in wasting time and resources to make something that wouldn't really benefit the site and do the opposite of what Ajdin is trying to do which is to filter the site from toxic users and scammers. It is a waste of money, when you suggest think logically. Would my suggestion be beneficial and not waste too many resources?

Also the time period, 1 year. In 1 year I would have forgotten about a site I was banned on. I don't think users revisit a site after a while once they're banned. I'm sorry but I don't see the point in this suggestion.

 

[James 1]

Ajdin - So why did you rate disagree?

 

[Ajdin]

Ajdin - So why did you rate disagree?

Because I simply disagree. Other users have pointed out good points as to why this shouldn't be implemented.

We go through alot of effort to catch and ban some members. I'm not sure why we should allow them back. Most manual bans are done for either scamming, ban evading or multi accounting. For other cases we let the warning system do it's thing and the warning system gives you alot of chances and a long period to think about your actions once you stack warning points.

So yes, I find this completely unnecessary. There's no way we'll have scammers back on the site, even after a year, because they will most likely be urged to create other accounts in the meantime since 1 year is a really long time.

Let's also not mention this would be very difficult to implement and would cost alot of money, that all for allowing people who broke rules back on the site? No thanks. I'd rather invest money elsewhere.

Another thing worth mentioning a user who can't come on the site for a full year might have lost interest and might just be urged to scam.

 

[Tofty]

No, because we're trying to get rid of scammers, not invite them back.

 

[Ivain]

so many good points made.
While I would normally agree with giving people a second chance (I live in a country where re-integration into society is one of the main goals for prisons), the problem is that on the internet, there's anonimity. aka people don't give a shit.
Half the people that got banned for scamming are alting right now, and probably scamming people while doing it. Just look at the amount of multi-accounts.

This idea would only work remotely for those not banned for scamming. And that's such a small amount, it wouldn't really be worth the effort.