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Boycott McM
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Or, you know, make a suggestion or support request?
If there is something you think should be fixed that is something that is for the whole team, a suggestion is a right place to do it.
If it is something like you believe a staff member is abusing their power, state it in a support request.
If you want to make MCM better, go about it the right way, not making threads where the goal of it is just to spew hate.
A good example of a suggestion that was well-intentioned, in my opinion, was the suggestion thread(s) saying that reputation moderators should be added.
Examples of bad suggestions include "promote x" "demote x"
If there is something you think should be fixed that is something that is for the whole team, a suggestion is a right place to do it.
If it is something like you believe a staff member is abusing their power, state it in a support request.
If you want to make MCM better, go about it the right way, not making threads where the goal of it is just to spew hate.
A good example of a suggestion that was well-intentioned, in my opinion, was the suggestion thread(s) saying that reputation moderators should be added.
Examples of bad suggestions include "promote x" "demote x"
We goin back to the olden days boys, we boycotting this bih!
I think the only way we can change this site is by leaving it and/or joining a competitor, at least for a short term. (I’m actually doing this myself because I’ve found things that I enjoy to do with my life). Mick would have to cut down staff because he is going to receive less revenue and people like Eclipse will be gone. They’d also realise they’d really have to make a change as soon as possible
This is such a textbook story every time. Suggestion threads take years before being implemented. Report system is flawed because of the staff and there's 0 communication from your end of the spectrum. And what I like most is that staff keep pointing their fingers at the users: "You should make a suggestion thread!", "Report more rule-breaking! We will reward you with warning points!", "You, the people of MCM, need to behave better!".
Meanwhile, I have never ever seen an actual apology in regards to almost every flawed with this forum. Maybe start with a "I am deeply sorry for the fact that we had no communication with our community for every moment in the past years!"
Point the finger at yourself once, please. Or at least communicate to us that you're pointing the finger at yourself (and us).
Suggestion threads get implemented based on a few things, priority, ease to implement (such as how long will it take to develop), and desire from the community. If there is a suggestion that actually provides a good way to improve the staff team and we can implement with ease, there will be a push from the community and the team for that to be done. Support requests are for communication, reporting posts don’t need as much communication, people need to know if it was accepted or rejected and if rejected why. Previously, a complaint was that people didn’t get rejection reasons, that is something that within the team was talked about and measures were put in place so it is done.
Saying “Boycott MCM” doesn’t provide us with what you, the users are looking for. If there is something that is needed specifically then there’s ways that can be communicated to us. There are some users who do a really good job of communicating what they believe is needed for MCM. There are others who think making threads in general discussion either to flame the team or a specific staff member will get what they want, it just won’t. The response “Make a suggestion” is for those who choose to make threads like these but not provide anything constructive.
I completely agree that as a whole, the team can communicate to the community what happens more, but I would also like to add that it is something that has been worked on and is continued to work on. We try to answer what we can in chat and the twitter has been used more to relay important changes increasingly. I’m not saying that is enough, but I am saying that we aren’t oblivious to it.
People don’t get warning points for reporting others, they get it for abusing the system. There’s a difference there. We get many reports for posts and reputation and the majority of the time the reporter does not get warning points.
We don’t try to “Point fingers”
People are on the staff team because they want to help MCM and keep the community safe and positive. While everyone might not see eye to eye on how that is done, that is everyone’s goal. If people on the team didn’t care about MCM they’d find something better to do with their time. I say all this because of the point that we’re not trying to blame the community, but if the community wants to help make MCM a better place for everyone, that is how you would do it. Report posts that break the rules, make suggestions, and read the rules. Help us help you is essentially what it comes down to in my opinion.
So... You implemented a single chance? Which does not even take long to develop?
It's really not hard. Once every week, a single post, we worked on this and are going to work on this. We listened what you said and the suggestions x and y are approved and should hopefully be implemented within a single year (lol).
Meanwhile this week someone did get warning points for it.
This is basically what I just told you and disputed. "If the community wants to help make MCM a better place...". Uh... The community is your consumer. Not your helper. They pay/support you to put out a good product, every premium and supreme user (and more) is already helping you. Currently MCM's relationship with it's community is too terrible and too insignificant for us to be willing to help 'more' as most feel like it's not going to help. To try and empty the ocean with a thimble.
Improve your own section first and community will come. Continue this way and you'll keep seeing "Boycot McM" posts.
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the issue with regards to staff communicating back to the community is a shambles and it has been this way for at least a few years now with the same old promises of 'it'll get better'. hint: it hasn't.
the hiring of staff is quite stupid if you ask me, look at the announcement threads where new staff were taken on and you'll see nobody knows who they are lol
mcm has a lot of issues and a lot of promises that are never held up to the test of time. mcm needs long term fixes and not short term fixes which 'unfix' themselves after a few months.
i dont use the site much nowadays - it offers little for me other than a load of bashing against me lel
the hiring of staff is quite stupid if you ask me, look at the announcement threads where new staff were taken on and you'll see nobody knows who they are lol
mcm has a lot of issues and a lot of promises that are never held up to the test of time. mcm needs long term fixes and not short term fixes which 'unfix' themselves after a few months.
i dont use the site much nowadays - it offers little for me other than a load of bashing against me lel
Its just their way of brushing off the situation in hopes that it dies down
Meanwhile people have been complaining about staff for as long as I can remember
Its funny how regular users like us show more support into the site than the staff do, at least communication wise (Just off my perspective, idk what happens behind the scenes). This kind of reminds me of Youtube back in 2017-2018 when people were complaining so much about how shit the management was and nothing changed. Because at the end of the day, MCM and Youtube have no real competitors and we are forced to accept these flaws and stay on the website
Unfortunately, that would be very hard to accomplish, since a decent amount of people regularly buy ads here and wouldn’t want to lose business. But if it was done well and the end result was expenses outweighing revenue, it would be a matter of changing or closing down eventually.
The permanent fix to this site’s problems would be for it to be owned by someone like BeBosny who prioritizes the forum and views it as a living community rather than a source of passive income. Or at least for someone to be appointed and paid a liveable wage to manage the site. Everyone could see how great of an owner BeBosny was. One thing that specifically sticks out to me is when the entire staff team back in the day (me included) wrote a letter about how BeBosny should retain forum ownership and for the agreed upon deal of the purchase to go through still. Looking back at that, Justis R was the most passionate about this of us all, writing a massive wall of text on why BeBosny should retain ownership and being most critical of the deal being reversed. Nobody was happy about it, I remember the huge shitshow on MCM and the whole staff team being surprised and upset. But then it was just forgotten about and now most of the active users didn’t even have an account back then when all those events went down.
The way the forum was when BeBosny was owner shuts down all the excuses for why the site is having so many issues. Things would get done swiftly and efficiently, such backlogs were a very rare occurance and only happened when a large portion of the staff team was busy irl, things just got done and users actually respected the site and all/most staff members. It wasn’t perfect, and people hated on staff members still, but the big difference was, it was never as frequent, most users sided with the staff members when users made angry threads, and people had more respect for them in general. Reminds me of when MTG said something along the lines of “Back then, I had issues with Doge and thebaum64, but at least I still had respect for them.”
MCM users aren’t being critical about this website/staff/leadership because they hate the site, but quite the opposite, because they love the site, it’s their internet home and they want to put out the massive fire that is the way it is currently being run.
And I’m sure most of us would make suggestions, but we see no point since they won’t be looked at for years and won’t be considered.
The permanent fix to this site’s problems would be for it to be owned by someone like BeBosny who prioritizes the forum and views it as a living community rather than a source of passive income. Or at least for someone to be appointed and paid a liveable wage to manage the site. Everyone could see how great of an owner BeBosny was. One thing that specifically sticks out to me is when the entire staff team back in the day (me included) wrote a letter about how BeBosny should retain forum ownership and for the agreed upon deal of the purchase to go through still. Looking back at that, Justis R was the most passionate about this of us all, writing a massive wall of text on why BeBosny should retain ownership and being most critical of the deal being reversed. Nobody was happy about it, I remember the huge shitshow on MCM and the whole staff team being surprised and upset. But then it was just forgotten about and now most of the active users didn’t even have an account back then when all those events went down.
The way the forum was when BeBosny was owner shuts down all the excuses for why the site is having so many issues. Things would get done swiftly and efficiently, such backlogs were a very rare occurance and only happened when a large portion of the staff team was busy irl, things just got done and users actually respected the site and all/most staff members. It wasn’t perfect, and people hated on staff members still, but the big difference was, it was never as frequent, most users sided with the staff members when users made angry threads, and people had more respect for them in general. Reminds me of when MTG said something along the lines of “Back then, I had issues with Doge and thebaum64, but at least I still had respect for them.”
MCM users aren’t being critical about this website/staff/leadership because they hate the site, but quite the opposite, because they love the site, it’s their internet home and they want to put out the massive fire that is the way it is currently being run.
And I’m sure most of us would make suggestions, but we see no point since they won’t be looked at for years and won’t be considered.
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Na im good
I would disagree simply because your competency as a staff member isn’t determined by how well known you are, it’s every other aspect of who you are that matters.
Most of the “well-known” people who think they should be staff are either overly arrogant or egocentric. I’m not saying all the “well-known” people are like that, but I personally see it as a general trend.
MCM is not flawless, but most of these threads which are full of hate of the community are from those who broke the rules. When people hate the moderators, it’s usually due to them being warned and therefore feeling wronged.
Negativity bias. You only need one person to create a thread to promote hate.
Again, MCM is not perfect, but a year ago it was a complete train wreck. Support was almost non-existent with a ridiculous backlog back then. There was no custom development happening either.
Now with more staff members, backlog is less of an issue and custom features are being developed. People who are getting reported actually get warned vs back then.
What’s weird was that the community was more relaxed a year ago, when the site was in shambles, than now, when the site has most definitely improved from its previous state.
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i disagree, there were loads of complaints about s/r's (both scam reports and support requests) not getting done
somewhat agree with this, but sometimes the rules really are stupid and overstretched to meet the needs of the staff's wants
i'd rather someone who was slightly toxic but trustworthy than someone who has no clue about the inner workings of mcm or the community norms. i can name and shame a few of the new staff for this but i wont.
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whilst a boycott seems to be stretching it and going too far, it is without a doubt that mcm is yet again going downhill. yes, improvements are made from time-to-time but they are inconsistent/irregular. jayson has certainly helped quite a bit with fixing loads of stuff and adding new features but what the site really needs is an overhaul of systems/staff.
Most of the staff won't take responsibility, they'd rather blame the users. Not all staff, since some do own up to their mistakes and apologize for them. But sadly, boycotting McM won't happen, as mentioned earlier, many people have spent time and money building up their reputation here, buying advertisements, etc. Plus, there isn't really another competitor to McM to help change happen quicker here.
This. People need to learn to communicate their issues or they are never going to be resolved. I don't think it's hard to find trustworthy people, not that I trust anyone blindly on this site, but the challenge stems from finding people that are also willing to take the position, have time to spare, and are actively engaged with the site's development/issues/etc.
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