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Alright, I respect your opinion. Let's say you can. Would the 13 year old compare to a person who's older, let's say 17-18, that has been studying computer science since he was a kid? I'd say that their skill level and fundimental, but also in-depth knowledge in computer science and programming would be drastically different.[DOUBLEPOST=1485353868][/DOUBLEPOST]
Beyond me too Kappa. I'll end it here if anyone's too bothered with what I have to say ;)

Let me just comment on the above post, actually.

First and foremost while I would agree that older people have a greater knowledge in some places, but I can say with confidence there are many younger than me who can program 10x better than I can.

There is no need to take someone down just because they aren't as old as you are, have you considered that perhaps they want a future in that field and this is probably very good experience for them? You cannot define a developer based upon how their chat style looks. I think you're being very obnoxious here and to put it bluntly, it's pathetic.
 

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I'm not heated at all, I'm simply stating everyone should know their place. You should know how much you know, but no matter how much you know, there isn't the need to show it off. Never have I stated all developers on here are 13 years of age. If you bothered loking at Fries's profile, you would understand where the referance came from. If you have a problem with my ixeas, you're more than free to PM. As for the OP, I know him very well, I'm sure he's willing to hear my oppinion as a friend ;)

..ah, I see what you mean now, I'm sorry I missed that before.
Quite funny you say that. I've worked with multiple large servers and actually have a portfolio. I've also actually done work outside of Mineshit. You should stop flexing before other people get involved and start making fun of you. Everyone knows you can't be 13 and have actual in-depth knowledge in computer science and programming.

mhm, yep, no need to show it off. I agree. Anyway, moving on.. popcorn anyone?
 

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I'm not heated at all, I'm simply stating everyone should know their place. You should know how much you know, but no matter how much you know, there isn't the need to show it off. Never have I stated all developers on here are 13 years of age. If you bothered loking at Fries's profile, you would understand where the referance came from. If you have a problem with my ixeas, you're more than free to PM. As for the OP, I know him very well, I'm sure he's willing to hear my oppinion as a friend ;)
Now your claims that 13 year olds cant learn, or be good at java is bullshit. I admit, I am not the best dev, but I am somewhat decent compared to other scams here, but there are quite some young and talented 13 year old devs out there such as the one (I think he's 15 now) who works (Unless he left) at Arkham, but you gotta be learning java at such a young age and know what Java is though.
 

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Take him down? I'm sorry, but I think you're getting the wrong idea. It wasn't me who started talking shit to get known as the "alpha developer". As for being obnoxious, why?.. I'm suddenly the obnoxious one for being attacked for expressing my oppinion.

Alright, to begin let me just say that it's spelled "opinion" and welcome to the real world! While you may have your own opinion, there is nothing to say it's wrong for me to challenge it. I could say that I believe pigs grow feathers under their second eye lid! I have my own opinions too and you know what? I think it would be horrible if people didn't challenge them as sometimes they are wrong and you can walk around looking for ignorant. It's always good to debate and discuss(Especially with people who think they should have a safespace).
 

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There's a border between challenging an opinion and talking with ignorance and anger. Ther's also a difference between having a polite debate and having an agressive arguement. I think you've crossed the border for both of the above. However, you're more than free to calm down and have a nice peaceful conversation in PMs if you'd like.

There is no difference. A discussion is a discussion. Also, since when has anger been a subject? I could give you a lecture on that if you like. Ignorance is something that's real and you should be corrected when you are in the wrong. That's my firm belief.
 

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Take him down? I'm sorry, but I think you're getting the wrong idea. It wasn't me who started talking shit to get known as the "alpha developer". As for being obnoxious, why?.. I'm suddenly the obnoxious one for being attacked for expressing my oppinion.



Sorry, apperently deffending yourself is now prohibitted as well? :3 As I've stated before, you're more than free to pm me, right now "you're being obnoxious".


I've never claimed a 13 year old can't learn. Quite the contrary, I encourage people to actually learn instead of skidding. I started learning how to program when I was 11, but I've always loved computer science. I'm almost 16 now. I'm only speaking from personal experience and the experience of many other developers I know.
Yeah I've been trying to learn Java since I was 12, but always had a hard time comprehending it as im best taught visually and through speaking (Basically like a teacher at school teaching her students), so I never really managed to learn much Java off tutorials off like YouTube.
 

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Anger has been a subject since you started talking about having a debate with one of the angriest responses I've heard. A discussion is a discussion, yes, but I'm sure we've all been tought to be polite now, haven't we? There is definetly a difference between having a civilized discussion and having a barbaric discussion. As for being corrected when you're wrong, I also firmly stick to that idea, that's how we were tought majority if not, a great amount of things we know. However, I have yet to see you correct me, the only thing I've heard so far is an angry mob trying to tell me off for stating a 13 year old does not know as much as a grown and competent developer in majority of the cases.[DOUBLEPOST=1485356567][/DOUBLEPOST]
Exactly, everyone has their own preffered method of learning and learning speed. However, it got much easier as you've grown, did it not?
Yeah overtime I've understood a bit more especially through the help of my friends who are Java Devs.
 

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Why did I just wait 5 minutes reading all this...:confused:
 

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Everyone is bashing EyesOfRinn because of the 13 year old comment.

And for the most part of it, he is right.

This forum is fucking filled with plenty of young, inexperienced developers that think they know what they're doing. He is completely right to advise you not to go with a lot of developers on this site because the majority are trash.

For example, let's take Blasthappy, he is young, childish, and only recently learned some decent java practice because I consistently called him out on it, but he is also young and as seen by his reputation left he would not be classed as a good choice for a developer.

Whereas there are older developers such as Badger , Skionz , Myiume, VawkeNetty that are a much better choice for serious development. (no matter how toxic vwk is) Older people are generally more mature and can time manage better, it's a fact.

The only younger developer I'd suggest is Eric, for his age he is exceptionally good at java and picks up concepts very quickly.

My point is this:

Older and more experienced developers are usually the better choice, however there are exceptions to this rule, just meaning they are harder to find, and in this site it is exceptionally hard to find these exceptions.


EDIT: Sorry, also seen Pazzword's code and he's also in the list of higher tiered developers.
You are entirely correct, most of the developers on these forums are literally useless and lowball everyone else just to make a quick buck.

Also thank you for the comment <3 ;)
 
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