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Huge Vouch, great place to work![DOUBLEPOST=1562200956][/DOUBLEPOST]Huge Vouch, great place to work!
 
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One of the more special things about our server is that ALL profits will go to DeepHelp
No profits = No growth

If you are getting by with just enough money to keep the server afloat, you will never grow, you will never release new content, and your server will face a premature death.

ALL profits will go to DeepHelp, a non-profit organization in the process of attaining a 501c3 legal status
Why doesn't DeepHelp have that yet? From what they were telling people when they were recruiting people to deal with mentally ill people, they claimed they already had non-profit status. Was this not accurate? If so, doesn't that seem misleading to you?

The organization is amazing and the type of support they supply really does help many people and I want to help it out anyway I can.

It's commendable that you want to help people. What's not commendable is preventing the momentary help they need from getting to them by this type of kamikaze 'donate everything' methodology. Once your server faces problems related to funding and you've donated all your money to them, you won't be sustainable nor will their donations from you.

Seems fundamentally flawed to me.


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Alright, before you come onto this thread and start trashing it with terrible conclusions, please DM me first.facepalm

Profits mean everything AFTER it pays for our hosting and our budgetary plan. The money that most server owners pocket will go to the organization. Make sure to actually read what is written.

No idea what that means. Do some research into how the US legal system works before coming here. I am allowed to say in the process of attaining it as the paperwork has been submitted but not reviewed by the IRS. It takes a while it to actually go through and more paperwork needs to be filled out.

Overall, before you come here trying to be "woke" with that 200iq advice from a master server owner, please make sure you learn to properly read and learn basic business terms like the difference between revenue and profit. It would make this alot easier and make your argument alot easier to understand. Thanks anyways!:tup:
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Alright, before you come onto this thread and start trashing it with terrible conclusions, please DM me first.facepalm

Profits mean everything AFTER it pays for our hosting and our budgetary plan. The money that most server owners pocket will go to the organization. Make sure to actually read what is written.

No idea what that means. Do some research into how the US legal system works before coming here. I am allowed to say in the process of attaining it as the paperwork has been submitted but not reviewed by the IRS. It takes a while it to actually go through and more paperwork needs to be filled out.

Overall, before you come here trying to be "woke" with that 200iq advice from a master server owner, please make sure you learn to properly read and learn basic business terms like the difference between revenue and profit. It would make this alot easier and make your argument alot easier to understand. Thanks anyways!:tup:

I appreciate the passive aggressive response from someone trying to help a mental health non-profit. I bit ironic, isn't it?

start trashing it with terrible conclusions
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ALL profits will go to DeepHelp

Not much of a conclusion if you misspoke or didn't mean what you said. Donating all profits means that all excess money which you make off the server will be donated.

business terms like the difference between revenue and profit.
Then, you have the audacity to insult me on the basis that I don't know the difference between revenue and profit. I do, and this proves that you've missed my point. My point is that you need to put the profit to development, not donate it all, if you want to be successful.
 
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No, I don't think you understand how many people who think they know what they are talking about tell us it won't work. It's kind of annoying when I have a lot of people tell me the same thing when they have no clue what they are talking about. The money that most server owner pocket after doing everything else from the server. I'm kinda worried about how you are an experienced manager if you don't know the difference between profit and revenue. We are all volunteers and will take little to no cash at all. Overall it's annoying when people trash threads like this when it is unnecessary. Enjoy your day and try not to destroy any more threads.
Yeah... profit isn't invested into your self....
 

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No, I don't think you understand how many people who think they know what they are talking about tell us it won't work. It's kind of annoying when I have alot of people tell me the same thing when they have no clue what they are talking about. The money that most server owner pocket after doing everything else from the server. I'm kinda worried about how you are an experienced manager if you don't know the difference between profit and revenue. We are all volunteers and will take little to no cash at all. Overall it's annoying when people trash threads like this when it is unnecessary. Enjoy your day and try not to destroy any more threads.
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That help you understand? If you are going to give up all profit, you are giving up all the money which you don't use on developing, hosting, or advertising the server. Revenue, which you claim I don't know the definition of, is the income of the organization. Now, this is my point, seeing as you must think I am either brain-dead or illiterate. If you are giving up all of your profit, which is the money that doesn't go to server expenses, you will have nothing to fall back on which the server is unable to produce for itself. Meaning, if suddenly you need money, money which would be from profit, you won't have any seeing as it is donated to the organization which you own.

You can sit here and tell me it's annoying, but I think reality can be annoying to people who simply don't want to accept it.

how many people who think they know what they are talking about tell us it won't work

So everyone is telling you that it isn't going to work, and your small inner-circle and you think it is going to work? So you are denying not only my advice, but the advice of many others because you insist it's going to work, and that we, the majority, don't know what we are talking about. That's called being blissfully ignorant. Worse yet, intentionally ignorant.

Counter my claims with evidence you can make this work, not personal insults that make you, and your organization, look hypocritical.
 

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PROFIT - AMOUNT SPENT AFTER BUYING, OPERATING AND PRODUCING A PRODUCT.

Not sure how else to put it. Just let us fail then if it really isn't going to work. I think your talents are better spent else where.

The capital letters didn't get your point across. You will be operating this server with no savings is what you're telling me. You will have no PayPal account with money in it. Deny this? Excess money is profit. You said you were donating all profit.

It's pretty clear cut to me, I'm not sure why you are getting upset. If I were you, being the owner of a non-profit mental health hotline service, I would want people to think I don't get easily agitated.

A server with no savings has nothing to fall back on. Simple as that.

That is destined for failure.
 

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The capital letters didn't get your point across. You will be operating this server with no savings is what you're telling me. You will have no PayPal account with money in it. Deny this? Excess money is profit. You said you were donating all profit.

It's pretty clear cut to me, I'm not sure why you are getting upset. If I were you, being the owner of a non-profit mental health hotline service, I would want people to think I don't get easily agitated.

A server with no savings has nothing to fall back on. Simple as that.

That is destined for failure.
Alright thanks for the advice. I will love to see it fail because non-profits don't need any funding at all to run. Please get off the thread, you have trashed it enough.
 

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I will love to see it fail because non-profits don't need any funding at all to run.
You're going to run a Minecraft server with no funding? That's even more ridiculous than your initial plan!

you have trashed it enough

I haven't 'trashed' your thread. I've provided reasoning why this won't work, and you've countered it with personal attacks and insistence that somehow you need no funding to run a Minecraft server. Instead of taking on a debate, or even providing counter-evidence to my claims, you want me to leave because you have no platform to defend yourself. That's not the behavior I would expect the leader of a non-profit organization to possess.

I want the best for you, I really do. I'm not here trying to attack you, but you need to understand that this isn't going to work with your current strategy. Claiming that you can donate all profit, and run a server without funding, is impossible. Where will you host it? Do you have a sponsor to host it for you? Even if you do, where's the funding for anything that would make the server successful? If someone could run a successful server on no funding we'd have 12 year old owners that have Hypixel-sized playerbases.
 

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You're going to run a Minecraft server with no funding? That's even more ridiculous than your initial plan!



I haven't 'trashed' your thread. I've provided reasoning why this won't work, and you've countered it with personal attacks and insistence that somehow you need no funding to run a Minecraft server. Instead of taking on a debate, or even providing counter-evidence to my claims, you want me to leave because you have no platform to defend yourself. That's not the behavior I would expect the leader of a non-profit organization to possess.

I want the best for you, I really do. I'm not here trying to attack you, but you need to understand that this isn't going to work with your current strategy. Claiming that you can donate all profit, and run a server without funding, is impossible. Where will you host it? Do you have a sponsor to host it for you? Even if you do, where's the funding for anything that would make the server successful? If someone could run a successful server on no funding we'd have 12 year old owners that have Hypixel-sized playerbases.
Most nonprofits, if managed well, run fine though?
 

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Most nonprofits, if managed well, run fine though?
Most non-profits aren't also a Minecraft server either.

I know DeepHelp is going to survive, it's managing to run a Minecraft server as a non-profit that the issue is. This server will essentially be donating all profit to a non-profit, which in turn, means that they can have no savings at their exposure if they needed money quickly. I reached out to an independent expert on the matter, who I did not tell what side I was on, and he said, "That's probably not going to pull through".

The issue is that they are going to be running a server with no savings to fall back on for when they inevitably need money.
 
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