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| BEFORE APPLYING

Please note the following requirements before submitting an application:


- You must be at least 18 years old.

- You must have at least a decent amount of prior experience developing Minecraft servers or plugins.

- You must be ready for the time commitment. You'll be expected to clock in hours every day you're working, and will be expected to treat this like a professional job, as it absolutely is.

- You must be comfortable working alongside and managing others. This team is not a separated front, we work together, are incredibly organized, and as a Development Lead you must be ready to manage the developers under you.

- You must be comfortable (and able to) sign a contract and legally binding paperwork regarding your position here. This is for your safety as well as our own.

- Have some basic familiarity with MYSQL or MongoDB (we aren't heavily attached to either at the moment)

| APPLICATION
Please fill out the application here: https://forms.gle/UkwcKKjrRq6AgYH38


| ADDITIONAL NOTES

- We are looking to fill this position as fast as we can. With that being said, if you put in an application expect a reply within 12 hours, and potentially even an interview scheduled the same day if possible.
 
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Hello,
Just wanted to mention a few things. While I do wish you the best of luck with recruiting and finding your desired candidate. There are, however, a few things wish seem odd for what you're looking for. First of all, some of the expectations are quite unfair to the workers, let me give you an example; "You must be at least 18 years old." & "Paid 125$ a week" & "Expected to complete anywhere between 20-40 hours in a given week.", these don't really go well together. You're expecting people of legal age, usually going to college or at least that have a few expenses, while paying less than minimum wage, and are also expecting them to work 20-40 hours. I do understand that the plan for your server is for it to succeed, and are of course wanting for your server and workers to be professional, but all the requirements that you're expecting and the little amount which you're currently paying, doesn't really make this look good whatsoever.

But anyways, I wish you the best of luck.
 

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On average
30 hours a week
125$ a week
Around 4 whole dollars per hour
ok.

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Hello,
Just wanted to mention a few things. While I do wish you the best of luck with recruiting and finding your desired candidate. There are, however, a few things wish seem odd for what you're looking for. First of all, some of the expectations are quite unfair to the workers, let me give you an example; "You must be at least 18 years old." & "Paid 125$ a week" & "Expected to complete anywhere between 20-40 hours in a given week.", these don't really go well together. You're expecting people of legal age, usually going to college or at least that have a few expenses, while paying less than minimum wage, and are also expecting them to work 20-40 hours. I do understand that the plan for your server is for it to succeed, and are of course wanting for your server and workers to be professional, but all the requirements that you're expecting and the little amount which you're currently paying, doesn't really make this look good whatsoever.

But anyways, I wish you the best of luck.


So, as a quick reference here, this will be a reply to all of the comments on this thread thus far relating to this.

Didn't mean for this to come out in this "way" so to speak. I don't want people going into this the wrong way. When we say 20-40 hours, it's really 100% dependent on the completion of your own tasks. We are setting deadlines for set plugins we need developed, and expect them to be completed within such a time. We used this 20-40 hour range to show that, but clearly that was a very bad move on my part so I went back and re-explained it in a bit of a better way.

The main task required is full and thorough communication with the team, and of course guidance of the JR dev. The actual development you will need to do is probably on the "minimal" side aside from our core features.

I 100% apologize for making this look unprofessional with my previous statement on price, etc. Bare in mind here, I have invested personally a little over 13,000$ thus far in producing this server (and can 100% prove this to those who get to that stage). The development of this has taken significantly longer than anticipated, mainly due to my lack of experience in this field before now, I have learned a lot, and from previous devs, I have been informed that we even pay on the high side for what I am asking out of you. My wording was just so awful it doesn't look that way at all.[DOUBLEPOST=1601651347][/DOUBLEPOST]
Average salary of a Jr. Java Developer is $77k a year. $4 an hour (going off a prior comment's estimate) is $8,000 a year. While I understand paying 77k is a lot you shouldn't expect someone to put full time hours for such a thing when that doesn't even pay rent in the cheaper places of the United States and Canada.

So, as a quick reference here, this will be a reply to all of the comments on this thread thus far relating to this.

Didn't mean for this to come out in this "way" so to speak. I don't want people going into this the wrong way. When we say 20-40 hours, it's really 100% dependent on the completion of your own tasks. We are setting deadlines for set plugins we need developed, and expect them to be completed within such a time. We used this 20-40 hour range to show that, but clearly that was a very bad move on my part so I went back and re-explained it in a bit of a better way.

The main task required is full and thorough communication with the team, and of course guidance of the JR dev. The actual development you will need to do is probably on the "minimal" side aside from our core features.

I 100% apologize for making this look unprofessional with my previous statement on price, etc. Bare in mind here, I have invested personally a little over 13,000$ thus far in producing this server (and can 100% prove this to those who get to that stage). The development of this has taken significantly longer than anticipated, mainly due to my lack of experience in this field before now, I have learned a lot, and from previous devs, I have been informed that we even pay on the high side for what I am asking out of you. My wording was just so awful it doesn't look that way at all.[DOUBLEPOST=1601651382][/DOUBLEPOST]
On average
30 hours a week
125$ a week
Around 4 whole dollars per hour
ok.

e34d91fcab2fc70365d444d46ea88a6b.png

So, as a quick reference here, this will be a reply to all of the comments on this thread thus far relating to this.

Didn't mean for this to come out in this "way" so to speak. I don't want people going into this the wrong way. When we say 20-40 hours, it's really 100% dependent on the completion of your own tasks. We are setting deadlines for set plugins we need developed, and expect them to be completed within such a time. We used this 20-40 hour range to show that, but clearly that was a very bad move on my part so I went back and re-explained it in a bit of a better way.

The main task required is full and thorough communication with the team, and of course guidance of the JR dev. The actual development you will need to do is probably on the "minimal" side aside from our core features.

I 100% apologize for making this look unprofessional with my previous statement on price, etc. Bare in mind here, I have invested personally a little over 13,000$ thus far in producing this server (and can 100% prove this to those who get to that stage). The development of this has taken significantly longer than anticipated, mainly due to my lack of experience in this field before now, I have learned a lot, and from previous devs, I have been informed that we even pay on the high side for what I am asking out of you. My wording was just so awful it doesn't look that way at all.
 

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$4 isn't that bad for someone who is 18. This is a junior position in Minecraft, for most people it's a hobby and the money is an added bonus. Most people applying would be self taught and would be relatively amateur, the pay isn't the best but it also isn't terrible. It will help build their portfolio and skills as a developer and then move onto better things. Honestly, people who take this position would be making more than most people on this forum anyway. People spend more time talking and commenting than actually doing work.

I appreciate this reply sir!

The backlash on this was not expected to be honest. Our previous lead dev had a very expansive portfolio, working for some major networks, and said what we were requiring and what we paid was on the higher end.

I am all for constructive criticism here, but I don't think the devs here are taking into account I am the soul provider of this server and it has not made a single $ yet.
 

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$4 isn't that bad for someone who is 18. This is a junior position in Minecraft, for most people it's a hobby and the money is an added bonus. Most people applying would be self taught and would be relatively amateur, the pay isn't the best but it also isn't terrible. It will help build their portfolio and skills as a developer and then move onto better things. Honestly, people who take this position would be making more than most people on this forum anyway, people spend more time talking than actually doing work and making money.
Yes it is that bad, for someone who is 18, and has to go to college, pay for tuition, pay for their rent and car, and on top of that expected work of 20-40 hours a week. Regardless of it is a hobby or not, this is a job in which you're supposed to act professional and work a certain preset amount of hours. If it was just a job where you could work as many hours as you'd like then ok I'd understand. But the pay is terrible for someone with expenses. However, I don't mean to come off as rude and I'm satisfied with his response so I'll back off, and not comment further.
 

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Yes it is that bad, for someone who is 18, and has to go to college, pay for tuition, pay for their rent and car, and on top of that expected work of 20-40 hours a week. Regardless of it is a hobby or not, this is a job in which you're supposed to act professional and work a certain preset amount of hours. If it was just a job where you could work as many hours as you'd like then ok I'd understand. But the pay is terrible for someone with expenses. However, I don't mean to come off as rude and I'm satisfied with his response so I'll back off, and not comment further.

I appreciate the feedback!

I think the main note here, I took way all the required hours there. Now it just simply a job with set tasks, do at your own pace sort of situation.

I am a listener, if the team complains, I compromise. I didn't realize it was so bad, and none of the people on the team ever complained. I learned a valuable lesson today haha.
 

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Most developers charge around $15-25 an hour. You might want to raise your pay to that before people start trashing your thread. (This is not a threat, I'm just warning you bro)

You say that here, but everywhere I see developers charging anywhere between 50 to 150$ per plugin developed, not an hourly rate.

I am offering 125$ a week, no set plugins to develop, a base salary doing a base job. This isn't rocket science. It's not like I am pushing 500 plugins a week, its likely they wouldn't even finish one in a week.

I made this exact post 2 months ago, with absolutely zero issues from a soul. Amazes me that all of a sudden its a problem haha.
 

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This is the worst man, when you don't say how many plugins, you're allowed to make them make more than 10 plugins.

So here is the problem with doing an hourly rate.

Developers hate being tied and tracked on hourly rates. Don't believe me? Check any thread on Spigot that asks people to clock in, its nuts.

I personally had the team using TimeDoctor, and the devs all hated it. It just isn't reasonable for them (in their eyes).

So if I were to do an hourly rate, how do I know as the owner that I am getting a fair job and they are doing what they are supposed to do on top of them not getting screwed?

A salary job is just that for a reason. If someone doesn't complete what is expected, then they have to work a little extra because they slacked prior (in development or individual driven job such as this).
 

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I'm 22, anything less than 25$/hr is simply not worth my time. I can't keep my bills paid with that, even sustain myself. Best of luck finding someone however!

I appreciate the comment!

This isn't a job for someone looking to make a soul living off of it just yet. In the future, of course. I am taking care of the team as much as I humanly can. I am the soul economical provider on the project, and I do not make millions to start a fully functional business off the ranks haha.

25$ an hour is completely reasonable for a position that requires the work that deserves that, this really isn't it here though my man. I assure you haha.

Anyways, have a good day sir!
 
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