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Big disagree. Users should have the freedom to chose which offers they would like to take.
 

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Big disagree. Users should have the freedom to chose which offers they would like to take.

Not when some auctions last for weeks, also there is nothing stopping them setting a reserve price.
 

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Think of it this way, if one user bid 10 dollars has 35 rep many vouches and another bids 15 and has 4 scam reports and 10 negative reviews who would you want to deal with? (This assumes no mm is used)
 

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Think of it this way, if one user bid 10 dollars has 35 rep many vouches and another bids 15 and has 4 scam reports and 10 negative reviews who would you want to deal with? (This assumes no mm is used)

I am in no way Saying they have to pick someone. I am just saying the auction should be completed in a set amount of time instead of bids being left for months and then the seller randomly ends it...
 

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All this will guarantee is that people will stop using auctions and start asking for 'offers'. That, or the starting bid will become identical to the BIN. If I'm gonna sell something worth $100+ I don't want to be limited to a single week or something.
Now, I'm the type that usually sets a fixed end date relative to bids (last thing I did was set an end date either 2 weeks after first bid or 1 week after second bid), but I still don't see why it's the site's responsibility to force people to sell inside of a certain time period.
What we need to do is make sellers understand that if they pull strange shenanigans, people won't be interested in bidding on their products anymore.
 

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In the early days of MC-Market, when I did a lot of buying/selling, I worked with moderation/administration to implement an 'auction ending' rule. Back then, every sales thread was "Selling ____. SB: $__", and they would stay open for months if the seller didn't get an offer they liked. I felt this completely defeated the purpose of auction style threads, since you bid an amount you feel comfortable paying and if someone values it more than you then that's fine but they will get the item, or you might even get a few good deals on stuff if nobody else values it as much as you do. But if the OP/seller has a specific amount in mind and all the bidders value it less than their hidden 'reserve' value, things would never sell (until 2 months later when the seller realizes they're not getting a better deal and try and get the last bidder to pay for the item). Even threads with BIN prices would stay open indefinitely until the bids reached the BIN price. At that point you should just say "Selling _____. BIN: $__ OBO" and either require people to pay that price or make you a best offer, rather than tricking people into making you as much money as possible.

Luckily rule 5.5 exists. While not really enforced, you can report auction-style threads that have no end-date (or no reasonable end-date, usually few weeks to a few months depending on the value of the item): 5.5 Do not start an auction-style thread without specifying a reasonable auction end date. It shouldn't be necessary, but if almost all the threads abuse the auction style that it becomes a problem, then yeah start reporting threads and citing 5.5 (I haven't bought/sold anything on MC-Market in a very long time, so I'm not really aware of if it's a problem again).
 

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Personally, I'm not a fan of restricting people to accept offers that they are not completely happy with. It seems restrictive and doesn't benefit users to force it. Personally, I'd prefer that we changed our rules to remove the auction ending rule entirely. We allow people to say "BIN 100, accepting offers of 80+", but don't allow "BIN 100, SB 80, ending when I feel like it" and that seems like a weird distinction to draw the line at.
 

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Personally, I'm not a fan of restricting people to accept offers that they are not completely happy with. It seems restrictive and doesn't benefit users to force it. Personally, I'd prefer that we changed our rules to remove the auction ending rule entirely. We allow people to say "BIN 100, accepting offers of 80+", but don't allow "BIN 100, SB 80, ending when I feel like it" and that seems like a weird distinction to draw the line at.
Then you'll probably want to remove "5.3 Do not offer to buy/sell an item or service you do not intend to provide/pay for." to prevent people getting banned for no longer wanting to buy something they bid on 8 months ago.
 

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Then you'll probably want to remove "5.3 Do not offer to buy/sell an item or service you do not intend to provide/pay for." to prevent people getting banned for no longer wanting to buy something they bid on 8 months ago.
I don't think that this has been an issue in the past and I doubt it'd be much of one in the future. If an offer is accepted an unreasonable amount of time later than the offer was made, then the bidder would be able to get out of their bid if they no longer need the product they offered for.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.
 
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