Current state of mcm

[Resilience]

I don't know if it's just me but I've been noticing a downward trend on mcm. There's a Lot more scammers than there used to be, ratings are essentially broken (too op), the staff team is in tatters and the overall quality of mcm has gone down in general. I feel that there needs to be some sort of revival attempt including competitions and giveaways hosted by staff, improving supreme and premium, rebalance the rating system, and add at least one more staff member or scam reports staff. In terms of competitions and giveaways, I was thinking plugin and build competitions, and unique name color and premium giveaways. I think this would attract a lot more people to the site and get the community involved. For ratings, I propose a new system where winners are the only rating that actually shows up on the side because that's what really shows how legit someone is. I know that jack and myiume recently resigned, and apparently they were the ones making the mclaim.net MCMARKET verification site. I'm asking work on this has stopped so I suggest getting certain members in the community involved in this as well. Accounts seem to be the top commodity on mcm so getting that site out should be a big priority. For premium and supreme, I think several if not all of Hainemakoru 's ideas should be implemented as they are fair and not too op. A lot of the suggestions that the community wants have Been sitting in this section without getting approved or denied so I suggest the addition of a community manager. This would be someone that reads through suggestions as well as help the community out as a whole. Mcm has been thriving and we can only make it better with the wonderful suggestions in this forum. Let's make mcm better together

 

[Magnemite]

Quality has gone down as money has gone down. Less people are joining therefore less people are buying Premium and Supreme. Notice that the DDos protection is gone?

 

[montyburly]

i think showing all ratings is fine and that it's up to buyers to determine how trustworthy a seller is based on their rep. i personally think somebody with lots of ratings no matter what they are is generally trustworthy. and also theres always been scammers on the site lol. as long as there is a market for selling any product easily with the anonymity of the internet there will always be scammers

 

[nara~kavi]

People keep saying this sort of thing about the site. I don't know if it's going downhill or not, but the simple fact is that the OG market is what drove this site to the top and that market is kind of dying out. It's hard for new blood to enter that market and get started doing it, and there's not as many great names to snatch up as there were or as many people willing to spend lots of money buying them. So, as the OG market slows down, traffic to the site probably will as well. There's not much that can be done to stop or change this. One thing that could possibly be done would be reinstating the selling of unmigrated/cracked accounts, as if we want to examine the particular point that the site started declining, the ban of these type of accounts would likely be the tipping point if I had to pick one.

I think the loss of a lot of quality members is also the cause of this perceived decline. Members like Nighterblde, Mr. Bobjoe, and more were banned permanently from the forum for very minor offenses and honestly I think a good move for Mick would be to forgive and pardon these people and let the past be the past. Making amends with all of the people who quit over Verringer's mistakes/decisions would be a wise move, I think, and could bring a lot of fresh life back into the forums.

I believe in general we should all work together to try and keep this site as alive as we can make it. Rather than putting pressure on the staff to breathe life back into it, we should all do what we can to support it. Make fun and cool threads, make your own giveaways and contests, participate in whatever other people do. Monty & I tried to set up a Halloween contest for everyone, made a cool thread design, made nice trophies, were gonna give away a free OG account and a lot of other free stuff and not a single person joined up for it. If you guys want this to be a nice community, then we have to build that ourselves.

^_^

 

[nara~kavi]

I've went ahead and cut out some things just to focus on the main points here.

First, I liked what you've said. But for now, I'll go in order shadowing what you've wrote.

I don't think that unmigrated/cracked accounts should never be allowed. To me, that's almost considered black market type of sales. Mc-Market would be better standing out as what we are now, instead of following closely to HF, etc. If we did allow these accounts, it'd have to be really strict. This would hopefully weed out the bad seeds from the good.

I can agree that Mick should pardon some of the bans. Obviously, when you take over a business, you don't want to get people back that where fired for stealing, etc. Same case here. The people that where banned because of scamming, of legit reasons, shouldn't be allowed back. The people that where banned by Verringer because of silly things should be allowed back, following an email to that user to let them know. This should happen whenever you take anything over from someone else. It just proves that you're here to change the course of whatever it is to something better.

Yes, we should all work together. It's hard running a community and trying to do everything. Sure, certain events hosted by staff would be interesting and fun. At the same time, the community can help with this greatly. Giveaways are good just because people enjoy free items. If it's something they have to pay for, then they fear it and tend to stay away from it (not always the case).

Anyways, I just wanted to post my input.

I kind of agree on the cracked accounts, but honestly I think it's worth the hit to prestige to just allow the selling of them here because it really does hurt the site not having them. And it just doesn't make any sense. 99% of the OG accounts sold on this site come from cracked/unmigrated accounts, and yet we're allowed to sell them because they're OG? I haven't understood this rule at all since it was implemented. My understanding back at the time was that Verringer was going to check every account sold on the site to see if it has a TID, and if it didn't have a TID, it wouldn't be allowed to be sold. But then he never followed through on that. So... all someone has to do to sell a cracked account on this site is to put a semi-OG name on it.

Morally I agree cracking is wrong, but that's how this whole business runs, so, if you want to make a moral argument, either shut down the entire OG market or allow cracked accounts. Otherwise there is no consistent moral argument to be found.

And yeah obviously I wasn't saying to unban *everyone*, I was just saying to unban people like Nighterblde who were banned for stupid and petty reasons. Nighterblde was banned for telling a known scammer, who is now banned himself, to kill himself. People told Monty & I to kill ourselves all the time back in the day and had no trouble for it. People like Nighterblde were pillars of the community and losing them really did leave holes in the community that still haven't been filled. Members like Nic, who thrived on selling unmigrated accounts, hardly come to the site now. I am just saying that if we want this site to build back up to what it was, we have to look at what caused the decline.

To me this is obvious: The restriction on selling unmigrated accounts, and the loss of several high profile and important members.

 

[thebaum64]

The community is growing and we have new members everyday, with this there will be of course scammers, it can not be helped, though, the staff is not exactly in "tatters". Yes, two pervious staff resigned, and I was appointed. But everything on the moderating side with myself and K3 is fine. Far from "Tatters". Yes some things can be improved though, that all takes time.

 

[montyburly]

I don't understand the rules on all this exactly. It's a little shaky and can go either way. I think the first thing that Mick should do is see about getting these correct and make sure they make sense first. If we don't allow cracked accounts to be sold, but allow OG-cracked accounts to be sold, that's almost like saying drugs cannot be sold but heroin can (obviously different cases here).

No matter what if cracked accounts aren't able to be sold then there is no market for Minecraft accounts at all.

 

[nara~kavi]

It'll be interesting to see how that works. If this is correct (and it appears to be), then Mick might as well just close the OG market.

That would basically mean closing this site.

 

[Mick]

Quality has gone down as money has gone down. Less people are joining therefore less people are buying Premium and Supreme. Notice that the DDos protection is gone?

DDoS protection is not gone. It is currently on fairly low alert mode. Don't make allegations unless you know what's happening please.

It'll be interesting to see how that works. If this is correct (and it appears to be), then Mick might as well just close the OG market.

Yes. There are cracked accounts on the market. Everyone who is selling cracked accounts on MC-Market is getting punished accordingly. The current system that we have is innocent until proven guilty, so without proper proof, we cannot remove any threads for silly reasons.

One thing that could possibly be done would be reinstating the selling of unmigrated/cracked accounts, as if we want to examine the particular point that the site started declining, the ban of these type of accounts would likely be the tipping point if I had to pick one.

Unmigrated/cracked accounts are not and never will be allowed back into MC-Market. The second that we do allow for users to sell cracked/unmigrated accounts it instantly allows for users to sell whatever they like. MC-Market is going to stay completely whitehat (to an extent, if we were fully whitehat we would not have a forum at all).

I think the loss of a lot of quality members is also the cause of this perceived decline. Members like Nighterblde, Mr. Bobjoe, and more were banned permanently from the forum for very minor offenses and honestly I think a good move for Mick would be to forgive and pardon these people and let the past be the past. Making amends with all of the people who quit over Verringer's mistakes/decisions would be a wise move, I think, and could bring a lot of fresh life back into the forums.

Nighterblde was banned for ddosing MC-Market, and several dozen users. Do you expect that he should be unbanned? I do not know Mr Bobjoe so I will not be able to say anything about his ban, but if he was banned permanently it must have been a pretty major offence. It is impossible for me to start unbanning people, as the second that I do this market instantly gets filled with people who are worthy of bans. This is due to the current ban lists being very brief and therefore the whole situation is not written there, allowing for the banned users to say whatever lies they like and still get back to MCM.

Verringer did make mistakes. I am trying to mend these mistakes. If anyone knows anything about what needs to be changed, send me a PM or make a suggestion about it.

improving supreme and premium, rebalance the rating system, and add at least one more staff member or scam reports staff.

All of these areas are being worked on, particularly with me having dozens of ideas for Supreme now. Supreme was introduced on a whim just before I purchased the site by Verringer, I had no input in it and I certainly didn't want him to. If you wish to have any Supreme features or even Premium features, I'd appreciate if they were posted right here.

A lot of the suggestions that the community wants have Been sitting in this section without getting approved or denied so I suggest the addition of a community manager. This would be someone that reads through suggestions as well as help the community out as a whole.

Right now I think that I can completely handle management of MC-Market, and all suggestions are being read, just not replied to until I have time, hopefully tomorrow.


If you have any other concerns about any of this or ideas to make the forum better, please send me a private message as I care about this community, hopefully as much as you do.
Mick

 

[Mick]

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embarrasing? I think you mean embarrassing

I think that is a valid point and I do appreciate it, but I believe that with MC-Market it is more beneficial for me to spend my time planning upcoming features and getting settled into my administrative role over typing the same thing on every thread. Like I said, this will be done tomorrow.

 

[nara~kavi]

Unmigrated/cracked accounts are not and never will be allowed back into MC-Market. The second that we do allow for users to sell cracked/unmigrated accounts it instantly allows for users to sell whatever they like. MC-Market is going to stay completely whitehat (to an extent, if we were fully whitehat we would not have a forum at all).

Yeah, I don't really disagree with banning the sell of them. I was just saying that that certainly would be something that would bring fresh blood, and I don't really think that it's that big of an issue to sell them. I just fail to see how this current policy is less hypocritical than the old policy, really, as we all know where OG accounts come from, and we all just turn a blind eye to it and pretend like they aren't cracked accounts just because they are OG names. I liked the old policy, even if it was hypocritical and weird to ban anyone who admitted to selling cracked accounts. The only thing that's really different now is that now people go on Skype, or HF, to get their unmigrateds, or if they don't know any better then they just don't get into the OG business. The fresh blood getting into the OG business through the purchase of unmigrateds, as well as all the kids who set up unmigrated account shops, was a big part of this site I think, and not having that does hurt it.

But I do accept, understand, and appreciate your position on the subject. Because morally cracking accounts is wrong, and we all know that.

Nighterblde was banned for ddosing MC-Market, and several dozen users. Do you expect that he should be unbanned? I do not know Mr Bobjoe so I will not be able to say anything about his ban, but if he was banned permanently it must have been a pretty major offence. It is impossible for me to start unbanning people, as the second that I do this market instantly gets filled with people who are worthy of bans. This is due to the current ban lists being very brief and therefore the whole situation is not written there, allowing for the banned users to say whatever lies they like and still get back to MCM.

Verringer did make mistakes. I am trying to mend these mistakes. If anyone knows anything about what needs to be changed, send me a PM or make a suggestion about it.

I was under the impression that Nighterblde was banned prior to any of the ddosing stuff taking place, for harassment.

But yeah, I do understand that unbanning people who were banned in the past is a difficult thing to do and does open the door up to pretty much anybody. I just miss those people. ^_^

I just meant in general it'd probably be nice to extend an olive branch to those that were banned over the whole anti-Verringer movement thing that there was. Since many good, well-liked members were lost over all that, and now that he's not here there's not really an issue anymore. I don't think any of them particularly had an issue with you, after all. But if it's impossible to see the logs of who was banned over that stuff then I guess that's difficult to do, and yeah, some of them probably really did deserve it.

thanks for responding ^_^