Denounce and prohibit homophobia, transphobia and general discrimination [1.6 Rule & Point Changes]

[Sosa]

G'day g'day,

As a member of the LGBT+ community, I feel that this is an issue that needs to be addressed.


THE PROBLEM

Over the past few months, it has become apparent that this site has been very heavily derogatory toward certain community members and its users who say such things are not punished accordingly nor are they impacted in any notable capacity.


THE 'REASONING'

Some users have gone as far as to get into the etymology of the word 'transphobia' stating that they aren't 'scared' of transgender people. This. Is. Not. The. Meaning. Of. Transphobia.
Some users also think that their biblical or personal based opinion is a fact when it is very clearly not.
Other users plead that their discriminatory words and actions align with their country's 'freedom of speech' law. I have said this many times, and I will say it again; having the ability to say whatever you want to say doesn't mean that people won't be offended by it.
But, I don't know why I'm going on about freedom of speech, as it doesn't actually apply on this site.
This site is run under Australian law as Mick Capital Pty. Ltd. is a registered Australian business that this site runs under (as seen in the site's copyright footer).
This means that, in Australia, we have laws protecting the LGBT+ community and any other marginalised cohorts - in simple terms, transphobes and homophobes get fined for their discriminatory words and actions.
From 1st August 2013, discrimination against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and intersex people became illegal for the first time under national law. Many people have since received fines up to $5000 AUD, depending on publicity.
For any Australians, namely the one that runs this site, this would be found under the Sex Discrimination Act 1984 and was passed under the Sex Discrimination Amendment (Sexual Orientation, Gender Identity and Intersex Status) Act 2013.

Spoiler: Examples from the site

MY SUGGESTION

In line with Australian laws and common human decency and respect, denounce and prohibit the use of homophobic and transphobic comments, remarks and actions as well as other discriminatory slurs.
This can be achieved by;

• Changing the current 1.6 rule as it is far too broad and needs clarification regarding what is considered 'disrespectful'.
• Editing the warning points for 1.6 violations depending on the severity;
  • Light Offence (basic disrespect) - 5 Warning Points
  • Moderate Offence (homophobia, transphobia, racism, etc.) - 10 Warning Points
  • Major Offence (harassment, excessive moderate offence violations) - 15-20 Warning Points
• Posting a thread 100% denouncing hatred toward marginalised cohorts

 

[Cade]

It’s not a belief it’s a fact.[DOUBLEPOST=1613532975][/DOUBLEPOST]
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764

Lol it just depends on which source you look at.


Stop being soft and taking offense to everything

 

[Uber Keys]

You absolutely have the right to be an atheist, but disrespecting Christianity or any other religion is not acceptable. You don't see me going around calling atheism or gay people "f*cking stupid." - Again, I am not trying to disrespect anyone or any group of people, all I am trying to do is have an on-topic conversation about the OP's suggestion.

You are trying to say homophobia is okay? lets take a look at the definition "dislike of or prejudice against gay people" So basically you are saying disrepecting the LGBT+ community is okay but the belief of atheism and believing that outdated religious beliefs is "fucking stupid" is not okay? I never said the whole of christianity was "fucking stupid" just the outdated beliefs (unless of course you want to say that slavery is not "fucking stupid") I never said christianity was fucking stupid just the outdated beliefs that I described, so I never disrespected the religion, just outdated things that are completely wrong.

 

[I_Luv_Cowz]

It’s not a belief it’s a fact.[DOUBLEPOST=1613532975][/DOUBLEPOST]
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/the...biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764 I_Luv_Cowz

https://www.google.com/search?q=gay+gene
Its still not scientifically clear, you cannot call it a fact that all gay people are born with ___ gene.

 

[Sosa]

https://www.google.com/search?q=gay+gene
Its still not scientifically clear, you cannot call it a fact that all gay people are born with ___ gene.

Genes ≠ all of human biology

 

[I_Luv_Cowz]

You are trying to say homophobia is okay? lets take a look at the definition "dislike of or prejudice against gay people" So basically you are saying disrepecting the LGBT+ community is okay but the belief of atheism and believing that outdated religious beliefs is "fucking stupid" I never said the whole of christianity just the outdated beliefs (unless of course you want to say that slavery is not "fucking stupid") I never said christianity was fucking stupid just the outdated beliefs that I described, so I never disrespected the religion, just outdated things that are completely wrong.

I never once disrespected the LGBT community, I respect all people regardless of their race, sexual orientation, etc.
You're being extremely aggressive and argumentative. I am not trying to have an argument, just trying to discuss OP's suggestion.[DOUBLEPOST=1613533373][/DOUBLEPOST]

Genes ≠ all of human biology

Hm, is there a scientific way to tell if a baby is gay or not based on their genetic makeup/biology?

 

[Uber Keys]

I never once disrespected the LGBT community, I respect all people regardless of their race, sexual orientation, etc.
You're being extremely aggressive and argumentative. I am not trying to have an argument, just trying to discuss OP's suggestion.

I'm not at all being aggressive just showing the flaws in your argument which is part of a "courteous discussion"

 

[Cade]

Genes ≠ all of human biology

It's not 100% proven.

 

[Sosa]

I never once disrespected the LGBT community, I respect all people regardless of their race, sexual orientation, etc.

You called it a choice, that’s pretty disrespectful.

It's not 100% proven.

Thank you straight man! Very informed decision about LGBT people you have here![DOUBLEPOST=1613533615][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm not at all being aggressive just showing the flaws in your argument which is part of a "courteous discussion"

Him: ‘Homophobia should be allowed abs not be oppressed’
Also him: ‘HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT CHRISTIANITY’

 

[Cade]

You called it a choice, that’s pretty disrespectful.

And you called it not a choice? I can consider that disrespectful as well.

 

[Sosa]

And you called it not a choice? I can consider that disrespectful as well.

You aren’t LGBT+ though? So you’re speaking to me as if you know what you’re saying - news flash; you don’t

 

[Cade]

You aren’t LGBT+ though? So you’re speaking to me as if you know what you’re saying - news flash; you don’t

Just because I'm straight doesn't mean I don't know what I'm saying.

Notice: If a straight person was to say this towards one of the LGBTQ members they'd be reported and receive warning points. However, since it's from an LGBTQ member to a straight person it's no issue.

 

[Sosa]

Just because I'm straight doesn't mean I don't know what I'm saying.

Notice: If a straight person was to say this towards one of the LGBTQ members they'd be reported and receive warning points. However, since it's from an LGBTQ member to a straight person it's no issue.

We’re talking about the feelings and emotions of people. If you aren’t that person you can’t feel what they’re feeling hence meaning that you have no fucking idea what they’re thinking thus meaning you have no idea what you’re saying.

 

[Uber Keys]

And you called it not a choice? I can consider that disrespectful as well.

There is a time and a place to bait people, this is neither of those.

Also I_Luv_Cowz I would love to have a proper discussion about this subject where we both present points and are actually able to outline flaws, that is if you can actually handle having the argument of religion being shown to be completely outdated.

 

[Cade]

We’re talking about the feelings abs emotions of people. If you aren’t that person you can’t feel what they’re feeling hence meaning that you have no fucking idea what they’re thinking thus meaning you have no idea what you’re saying.

Well, in that case, you have no idea how we feel as straight people so you have no idea what you're saying either.

 

[Sosa]

Well, in that case, you have no idea how we feel as straight people so you have no idea what you're saying either.

Correct, I don’t. But I don’t make discriminatory claims against straight people

 

[Cade]

Correct, I don’t. But I don’t make discriminatory claims against straight people

Not supporting LGBTQ isn't discrimitory.

 

[gilbertisawesome]

Ma'am this is a Minecraft service website. No one here cares about your feelings. We just want to either make money or hire people. We mean no harm. I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to do here, but whatever it is, it's dumb. I've learned one common thing. That is if you have enough time to complain about the issues of the world on a Minecraft forums page, then you have too much time. For your convenience, I created a short of list of other things you can being doing right now:
- Find a hobby
- Read a book
- Go fishing
- Learn an instrument
- Make new friends
Well I hope this was helpful. Good luck!

 

[Justis]

I’ve officially changed my stance on the need to denounce homophobia and transphobia on our platform.
My previous point regarding it already being a known fact that MCM doesn’t tolerate discrimination relies on our community actually being able to recognize discrimination and understand that homophobia and transphobia is inherently discriminatory.
I thought this was so obvious that it didn’t need to be said, but the responses I’ve seen in this thread have proven my faith in the good sense of people to be grossly misplaced.

Racism is different to "Homophobia" because a person's race is something they are born as and cannot change. Something like being gay is not something that you are born as, its something you choose to be. People shouldn't be forced to support you changing your sexual orientation, especially if its against their religious beliefs.

In my opinion, its just as bad to oppress people with views against homosexuality as it is to oppress people with views supporting homosexuality. How would you like it if respectful expressions supporting homosexuality were censored?

We can agree however that nobody deserves to be harassed, trolled, or disrespected.

The only difference you’ve cited between homophobia and racism is the presumption that someone’s sexuality is a choice.
It isn’t, and I’m am genuinely beyond baffled that there are actually people within the generations young enough to be actively using MCM who honestly think that sexuality is a choice. A homosexual could lie about their sexuality and act against it, just as a person of color could bleach out the pigment in their skin, however, deception doesn’t alter the reality of who they are, and no person who has any interest in human rights, human dignity, mental health or justice would ever dare claim that the presence of such an option equates their existence to "a choice".
Seeing how that is the only difference you were able to name, and seeing how it is wrong, I think you’ve done a great job of illustrating to everyone why homophobia and the expression of it is just as bad as racism and the expression of it.


If someone entered this community saying "I don’t support black people", or "I don’t support women", you’d wonder if they are even hearing what they’re saying.

Yes. That is called discrimination.

Someone not being a straight, white, cisgender man doesn’t communicate anything about any of their social, economic, environmental or political opinions. The only thing that claiming "non-support" of those people is communicating, is non-support of their existence, because their existence is the only thing that these titles actually communicate.

Yes. That is called discrimination.

I do believe that the posting of this thread has made the expression of discriminatory sentiments much worse than it’s ever been on MCM, but that isn’t the fault of the OP. Such sentiments shouldn’t exist to be inspired into the light in the first place.

MCM has never and will never support discrimination, and since there are apparently so many people using this platform unaware of the fact that their sentiments are homophobic/transphobic/etc, or of the fact that homophobia/transphobia is a form of discrimination, I and the rest of the team are now discussing the best way to educate the community of that fact in what will, along with this post of mine, essentially serve as the first and last site-wide verbal warning that will be issued regarding the posting of discriminatory content on our platform including the disclamation of "support", or whatever euphemisms these people would like to use to identify their phobias.

In the meantime, this thread has already generated far too much homophobic/transphobic content, and there is no constructive purpose for allowing it to continue. This thread is now locked until a decision has been made on how to most effectively proceed.

I look forward to bettering this community with you, although I’m saddened that the world isn't already a better place than it is.

 

[Mick]

This has already been implemented, we just never got around to marking this suggestion as accepted.

Thank you very much for the suggestion! I'll move the thread now.