Disallow the sale of Hypixel items

[Justis]

I mentioned this in my reply to a suggestion to make the section Premium only, which was created after Simon stated that he would be actively combatting buyers and sellers of Skyblock coins:

I would prefer if we simply remove the content completely.
Supporting people in their efforts to violate the terms or license agreements of the services they use is harmful enough on our image as a marketplace platform, but blatantly making changes to the site specifically to hide those violations from the people who would rightfully seek to catch the violators and terminate their service is something I want to avoid as much as possible.

The Minecraft account section, as a precedent, is like quicksand pulling us into businesses we should be avoiding at all costs. We cannot allow it to act as a justification for dipping our fingers into even more (and potentially illegal) grey/black hat activities. I don’t want us to be that kind of site, and I know I’m not alone in that. It’s unfortunate that the community has decided to continue allowing their sale.

If the owner of Hypixel joins MCM, I want to be able to offer him all of the same protections and rights as we grant every other product owner or service provider on our platform.
MCM should always encourage that the sound agreements our users participate in are properly upheld, regardless of how successful a business the agreement is with.

This reply of mine focused primarily on the rights of Hypixel as a business, just as MC-Market is filled with other MC focused businesses. It also focuses on MC-Market’s image as a place that respects people’s rights, encourages legitimate business, and combats piracy/leaks/rights-violations and the violations of agreements between our users. I maintain firmly that just because Simon’s business is a very successful one doesn’t mean MCM should dismiss his rights as no longer important and allow them to be violated all across our platform.


However, I want to focus on our community for a minute. The buyers and sellers of these coins. Do we really want to be encouraging and supporting that people sell these coins to our community members knowing that the people who buy these coins are going to have their accounts banned? What about the sellers, who will not only have their accounts banned, but will have Hypixel, with all of their resources, relentlessly fighting to ensure that those sellers will face legal repercussions?

By allowing the transaction of these items while maintaining that we care about people’s rights, we are giving the impression to lesser aware users that the sale of Hypixel’s assets is perfectly legitimate or at least safe enough and even endorsed by us. The vast majority of our community members are not in a position where they can make informed legal decisions about whether they’re safe to blatantly violate the TOS of the services they use, and MCM should err on the side of caution for their sake.

If MC-Market doesn’t want to endorse these violations as legally sound, we need to stop encouraging and allowing that they be violated, on our platform. The Hypixel Skyblock section is filled with sticky thread advertisements. MC-Market is making money by encouraging that our users violate their TOS agreements with Hypixel and sell their assets to other users who will also have their accounts banned. This is just not acceptable.

Please, let us focus as much of our resources as we can into growing legitimate businesses where the rights of all parties are respected and where our community members won’t potentially face repercussions for knowingly violating their contracts.

 

[Violet]

Oh yeah so when someone from a server says its not allowed to sell their coins for irl money we must follow it. But we can sell cracked fucking minecraft accounts on here!!! yes lets not follow what mojang says. lmfao shits getting more retarded everyday.

 

[TBK]

Oh yeah so when someone from a server says its not allowed to sell their coins for irl money we must follow it. But we can sell cracked fucking minecraft accounts on here!!! yes lets not follow what mojang says. lmfao shits getting more retarded everyday.

Exactly

 

[Justis]

Oh yeah so when someone from a server says its not allowed to sell their coins for irl money we must follow it. But we can sell cracked fucking minecraft accounts on here!!! yes lets not follow what mojang says. lmfao shits getting more retarded everyday.

TBK I am also disappointed that some of the people agreeing to this thread would not agree with the suggestion to remove the sale of Minecraft accounts for all of the same reasons. Unfortunately, despite it conflicting with everything MCM stands for, the community has voted to retain MC accounts for the time being, and MCM cannot go against such a clear majority vote without enraging the community that it is intended to serve.
All we can do for the time being is take steps towards improving our marketplace and supporting legitimate businesses which will grow to make MC account sales irrelevant. We will definitely have another vote in the not too distant future to remove MC account sales again, and I’m hopeful that at that time, the right concusses will be made.

 

[TBK]

TBK I am also disappointed that some of the people agreeing to this thread would not agree with the suggestion to remove the sale of Minecraft accounts for all of the same reasons. Unfortunately, despite it conflicting with everything MCM stands for, the community has voted to retain MC accounts for the time being, and MCM cannot go against such a clear majority vote without enraging the community that it is intended to serve.
All we can do for the time being is take steps towards improving our marketplace and supporting legitimate businesses which will grow to make MC account sales irrelevant. We will definitely have another vote in the not too distant future to remove MC account sales again, and I’m hopeful that at that time, the right concusses will be made.

Personally I've not seen that thread but yes.. If they agree to this then they should agree to that other thread also

 

[planetes]

Honestly, this could be argued in either direction. However, that being said, the status quo for a long time has been not paying much attention to such issues so I feel like a sudden drastic change to how things are done would be rash without any sort of reason or provocation such as HyPixel suddenly clamping down on sites that allow such sales. Regardless, it makes little sense to me that the selling of Minecraft accounts/usernames is allowed and not seen as a legal issue when this is an issue regarding Mojang's (a much larger company) assets. Up till now MCMarket has not received any backlash from Mojang regarding such an issue and I imagine if Mojang did ever raise a concern that MCMarket would be quick to react to this and make changes. I, therefore, think that kind of attitude should be considered before making any decisions especially as HyPixel is a much smaller brand with a lot less reach and power.

 

[nfdegreu3i23r22r]

Yes I see you have a strong point at MCMarket I agree with the whole "business" forum as part of the configuration and development team of MCMarket I would like to also state minecraft accounts, fortnite accounts, steam accounts and most of the gift-code and license section is also in violation of some company's terms of service so I would like a new suggestion trying to take them down aswell. And as I see MCMarket became popular over plugins, etc and when accounts came to the forum a overload of scammers came same with the hypixel skyblock scene so I would agree with you on removing this.

 

[casket]

TBK I am also disappointed that some of the people agreeing to this thread would not agree with the suggestion to remove the sale of Minecraft accounts for all of the same reasons. Unfortunately, despite it conflicting with everything MCM stands for, the community has voted to retain MC accounts for the time being, and MCM cannot go against such a clear majority vote without enraging the community that it is intended to serve.
All we can do for the time being is take steps towards improving our marketplace and supporting legitimate businesses which will grow to make MC account sales irrelevant. We will definitely have another vote in the not too distant future to remove MC account sales again, and I’m hopeful that at that time, the right concusses will be made.

Unfortunately, despite it conflicting with everything MCM stands for" bro this forum was built of Minecraft selling and buying Minecraft account

 

[nfdegreu3i23r22r]

Unfortunately, despite it conflicting with everything MCM stands for" bro this forum was built of Minecraft selling and buying Minecraft account

It became popular as a business forum then later turned into that.

 

[Justis]

so I would agree with you on removing this.

You disagree reacted though?

As for your message, I also want those sections looked at.
However, the legality of each product's sale needs to be thoroughly investigated. Even within the staff team, there have been disagreements over how to interpret certain terms. Some users believe that selling builds or plugins is a violation of Mojang’s EULA, for instance. I strongly disagree. We’ve been seeking legal advice and will continue to seek legal advice until we have a definitive position on each product being transacted here and what should be done moving forward. Perhaps a single thread for all of that content will be posted, or perhaps we’ll prefer an individual thread for each product.

Unfortunately, despite it conflicting with everything MCM stands for" bro this forum was built of Minecraft selling and buying Minecraft account

Minecraft accounts came later, actually. The original purpose was server administration and plugin development. Although, even if MCM purpose when it was conceived was selling popcorn to Santa. Why would that mean that what we’ve grown to stand for can’t be to serve our community?

 

[nfdegreu3i23r22r]

You disagree reacted though?

As for your message, I also want those sections looked at.
However, the legality of each product's sale needs to be thoroughly investigated. Even within the staff team, there have been disagreements over how to interpret certain terms. Some users believe that selling builds or plugins is a violation of Mojang’s EULA, for instance. I strongly disagree. We’ve been seeking legal advice and will continue to seek legal advice until we have a definitive position on each product being transacted here and what should be done moving forward. Perhaps a single thread for all of that content will be posted, or perhaps we’ll prefer an individual thread for each product.


Minecraft accounts came later, actually. The original purpose was server administration and plugin development. Although, even if MCM purpose when it was conceived was selling popcorn to Santa. Why would that mean that what we’ve grown to stand for can’t be to serve our community?

Oh shit that's my fault but minecraft accounts should be the next worry for the suggestions

 

[Leeiuum]

There's literally an advertisement banner on the side panel to buy coins.
If this is against the rules, why is the banner even approved?
This site is indirectly a seller to these coins and action can be taken against the entire forum.

It's a suggestion to implement a rule, though not an official rule. The banner will probably (I don't see why the forum would show hypocrisy) be removed if they implement this officially.

Then again, it's MC-Market after all.

 

[Violet]

There's literally an advertisement banner on the side panel to buy coins.
If this is against the rules, why is the banner even approved?
This site is indirectly a seller to these coins and action can be taken against the entire forum.

Cause they just want money?

 

[Zero]

This is one of the modern problems in Minecraft - The players are trying to earn as much money as possible by using forbidden methods like Bots... This shit went completely crazy - Servers with 50+ Alt Accounts online, Scripts for servers...
Why cant people just play the game how it is supposed to be ._.

Please dont allow the selling of ANY Minecraft Ingame Items that give advantages over other players. You are just allowing them to create a market for this shit if you tolerate them on mc-market.

 

[MTG]

Fuck this shit, fuck you Justis, mcm is being run by the biggest hypocrites on the planets, after almost 6 years of running and allowing the breaking of Mojang's tos and other companies' you decide to be 'the good guy' when you were fine with it 2, 3 years ago? No. No.
If you wanted to do something like this you should have listened back in 2016 when the OG market was actually active and running, people were left and right selling Jacked Accounts (they still do, but does it matter really?) You've always allowed the sale of such accounts no matter how they're obtained, so you can't come today and tell me.. 'We care for others and we respect other companies' tos' let me tell you my friend, you're a bitch. If you wanted this site to follow 'ToS' and rules, you shouldn't have allowed it from the start, from 2014, from 2015, from 2016.. but you can't just come now and bitch about it after the market is dying and say 'lEtS rEspEct THE tOs'.
Also if you're gonna be a bitch and follow Hypixel's trash, when hypixel barely recognize this forum, that will only make it worse.

Rant over.

*smoke bomb*
*don't ban me*

 

[Requal]

I mentioned this in my reply to a suggestion to make the section Premium only, which was created after Simon stated that he would be actively combatting buyers and sellers of Skyblock coins:


This reply of mine focused primarily on the rights of Hypixel as a business, just as MC-Market is filled with other MC focused businesses. It also focuses on MC-Market’s image as a place that respects people’s rights, encourages legitimate business, and combats piracy/leaks/rights-violations and the violations of agreements between our users. I maintain firmly that just because Simon’s business is a very successful one doesn’t mean MCM should dismiss his rights as no longer important and allow them to be violated all across our platform.


However, I want to focus on our community for a minute. The buyers and sellers of these coins. Do we really want to be encouraging and supporting that people sell these coins to our community members knowing that the people who buy these coins are going to have their accounts banned? What about the sellers, who will not only have their accounts banned, but will have Hypixel, with all of their resources, relentlessly fighting to ensure that those sellers will face legal repercussions?

By allowing the transaction of these items while maintaining that we care about people’s rights, we are giving the impression to lesser aware users that the sale of Hypixel’s assets is perfectly legitimate or at least safe enough and even endorsed by us. The vast majority of our community members are not in a position where they can make informed legal decisions about whether they’re safe to blatantly violate the TOS of the services they use, and MCM should err on the side of caution for their sake.

If MC-Market doesn’t want to endorse these violations as legally sound, we need to stop encouraging and allowing that they be violated, on our platform. The Hypixel Skyblock section is filled with sticky thread advertisements. MC-Market is making money by encouraging that our users violate their TOS agreements with Hypixel and sell their assets to other users who will also have their accounts banned. This is just not acceptable.

Please, let us focus as much of our resources as we can into growing legitimate businesses where the rights of all parties are respected and where our community members won’t potentially face repercussions for knowingly violating their contracts.

God I hate all these 0.5/mil clogging up the new posts section. I’ll be glad to see Hypixel Skyblock go any day.[DOUBLEPOST=1588962299][/DOUBLEPOST]

Oh yeah so when someone from a server says its not allowed to sell their coins for irl money we must follow it. But we can sell cracked fucking minecraft accounts on here!!! yes lets not follow what mojang says. lmfao shits getting more retarded everyday.

Smh

 

[babaooo]

I have to agree with Justis here as although the sale of Minecraft accounts is 100% against the Mojang TOS and isn't allowed, it actually doesn't affect Minecraft as a company in anyway. It doesn't affect the sales at all (or the minutest of dents) of the company and there's a reason they haven't taken any action- it literally isn't worth their time, they would be wasting money and time trying to get rid of us. HOWEVER, Hypixel is different story. Yes, they are a considerably large company but not even 1/1000 of what Minecraft as a company is. This means that if we sell the currency that they use to attract users and drag users to spend hours and money and we are giving it to them for free it literally just destroys their business. It's like the difference between stealing from a massive Warehouse and a small, local cornershop. We are lowkey ruining Hypixel/ Simon's business which he has worked hard for cause of this. However, comparing this to removing the sale of Minecraft accounts although is hypocritical on MCM's part, I feel this is more of 'we are killing a small business' than anything else. Every other company we sell accounts for here on MCM (Fortnite, Minecraft, Social Medias) are all billion dollar corps and I couldn't care less if someone sold their accounts, they make that money back in 0.001 seconds, as opposing to a rather small Hypixel. Sorry if this para is wordy/ confusing im typing on my phone.