Discord Tokens

[Gronk]

Please allow sale of discord tokens, tokens can be used for so much more than just raiding.

 

[Justis]

Justis, they do got a point with this although you have a point as well however there’s an overwhelming accounts sold on this platform if I’m being completely honest and mc market violates those companies terms or service 60-80% of the time. If mc market were to remove account selling completely the forum would die out at a slow phase.

(although you do have a point where a line needs to be drawn with this I think some of the reply’s were completely childish)

MC account selling activity has been hugely dropping while forum activity has been rising constantly, so I disagree with this. Account selling will die off on this platform, and our other products and services will continue to grow. They are not dependent on accounts in any way in order to be successful. Although there are still a notable portion of users who sell accounts on our site and haven’t gotten into anything else, that percentage will continue to decrease.
All I’m asking for is patience and for the situation not to be worsened while we continue to make progress towards growing the legitimate areas of our website and reducing the prominence of the illegitimate areas.

 

[Gronk]

Clown took the votes back up, please vote again.

The rule had no meaning the second you guys stopped enforcing it how ever long ago this mess started. The rule looks hypocritical at best. At at this point just needs removed. You cannot half enforce a rule and call it a rule. And what gives a 14 year old on your platform for example the right to have there TOS upheld but not someone like mojang or any of these other multi million dollar companies? You have a good intention but your far far to late at attempting to enforce it. Removing all of things that violate policies would kill this site as there would be next to nothing left to sell. I draw my line at were all equal and human, Either we all have equal rights or none of us have rights.

Justis, they do got a point with this although you have a point as well however there’s an overwhelming accounts sold on this platform if I’m being completely honest and mc market violates those companies terms or service 60-80% of the time. If mc market were to remove account selling completely the forum would die out at a slow phase.

(although you do have a point where a line needs to be drawn with this I think some of the reply’s were completely childish)

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MC account selling activity has been hugely dropping while forum activity has been rising constantly, so I disagree with this. Account selling will die off on this platform, and our other products and services will continue to grow. They are not dependent on accounts in any way in order to be successful. Although there are still a notable portion of users who sell accounts on our site and haven’t gotten into anything else, that percentage will continue to decrease.
All I’m asking for is patience and for the situation not to be worsened while we continue to make progress towards growing the legitimate areas of our website and reducing the prominence of the illegitimate areas.

Your platform is going to die.


You allow me to sell cheats, but not discord tokens clown alert

 

[Justis]

The rule had no meaning the second you guys stopped enforcing it how ever long ago this mess started. The rule looks hypocritical at best. At at this point just needs removed. You cannot half enforce a rule and call it a rule. And what gives a 14 year old on your platform for example the right to have there TOS upheld but not someone like mojang or any of these other multi million dollar companies? You have a good intention but your far far to late at attempting to enforce it. Removing all of things that violate policies would kill this site as there would be next to nothing left to sell. I draw my line at were all equal and human, Either we all have equal rights or none of us have rights.

I agree. We all have equal rights. A 14 year old on MCM doesn’t have any more right to be protected than the owner of another company regardless of how large it is. We agree.
However, we disagree that it’s too late to change.
I know that it’s not too late. I just know that it will take a bit of time and needs to be done slowly, like all big changes are.
Society is always progressing as new leaders start vocalizing their unpopular opinions and say what nobody wants to hear but everyone needs to. I wasn’t a staff member back when MC accounts were allowed. I doubt the staff team at the time foresaw the cess pool it opened the door to for years to come. However, I am a member of the team now, and I won’t budge on trying to push MCM towards the place it should have always been. A place where everyone’s rights to their products are protected.

 

[Anish]

Hi guys I know you made a mistake a few years ago with MC account selling and I know you trying to close that gap without killing the form, but bro why can't I sell my illegal shit if they can sell there's. [MC Accounts]? It's not like MCM is trying to stop with the illegal shit at all...right?

 

[Cade]

It violates Discord’S TOS to sell their tokens, does it not?
Our goal is to remove content which violates rule 5.4 not turn a blind eye to more of it.

This site wouldn't exist if every TOS was followed.

 

[Anish]

The site is trying to move away from breaking ToS's.

 

[Arik]

Selling discord tokens is similar to the concept of selling nfa Minecraft accounts, both of which are not allowed on MCM, meanwhile selling Minecraft accounts (OG, Semis etc) are allowed but so is selling Discord Accounts with rare tags like (#0001), I dont think its a fair comparison, to compare discord tokens to minecraft accounts which are allowed to be sold on here.

 

[Cade]

Selling discord tokens is similar to the concept of selling nfa Minecraft accounts, both of which are not allowed on MCM, meanwhile selling Minecraft accounts (OG, Semis etc) are allowed but so is selling Discord Accounts with rare tags like (#0001), I dont think its a fair comparison, to compare discord tokens to minecraft accounts which are allowed to be sold on here.

That's a good point.

 

[OneFightOneWin]

Selling discord tokens is similar to the concept of selling nfa Minecraft accounts, both of which are not allowed on MCM, meanwhile selling Minecraft accounts (OG, Semis etc) are allowed but so is selling Discord Accounts with rare tags like (#0001), I dont think its a fair comparison, to compare discord tokens to minecraft accounts which are allowed to be sold on here.

Sure, but that doesn't really change the fact that it is still against minecraft and discords tos to do either. If minecraft accounts are allowed to be sold, I don't see why tokens shouldn't. You wanna talk about unfair comparisons? Check Justis R's repsonse. Comparing selling discord tokens that were generated on demand vs leaking other peoples personal data.

Just like everyone else has said, rule 5.4 isn't there to protect anyone, its there as backup so that the mods can default to it when they don't want something to be sold. As flight said, most of users wouldn't be here if every type of product followed the same regulations. Some shthaff'sh dishcord moshth wiwewy wash raided or shuch, egosh were hurth and now aww dishcord thowensh are bad! nooo pwsh donth sheww :>(((

 

[Gronk]

my sincere apologies for stepping into this shithole but like

ladies and gentlemen we got him

 

[Arik]

Sure, but that doesn't really change the fact that it is still against minecraft and discords tos to do either. If minecraft accounts are allowed to be sold, I don't see why tokens shouldn't. You wanna talk about unfair comparisons? Check Justis R's repsonse. Comparing selling discord tokens that were generated on demand vs leaking other peoples personal data.

Just like everyone else has said, rule 5.4 isn't there to protect anyone, its there as backup so that the mods can default to it when they don't want something to be sold. As flight said, most of users wouldn't be here if every type of product followed the same regulations. Some shthaff'sh dishcord moshth wiwewy wash raided or shuch, egosh were hurth and now aww dishcord thowensh are bad! nooo pwsh donth sheww :>(((

I agree with the fact that if rule 5.4 is being enforced on one thing, it should be enforced on everything. However the fact is both discord accounts (good discrims i.e. #0001) and OG Minecraft accounts are allowed to be sold on here, both being exceptions to the rule 5.4, if they were to allow discord tokens on a mass scale to be sold again, then they would need to allow nfa Minecraft accounts to be sold again. This would be taking a step backwards to getting to the goal of maintaining rule 5.4 fully. Im not saying the staff are right on picking and choosing what should be allowed and shouldnt, but if the marketplace does want to get to fully compliant with rule 5.4 then authorizing sales of discord tokens again is just a step backwards.

 

[OneFightOneWin]

I agree with the fact that if rule 5.4 is being enforced on one thing, it should be enforced on everything. However the fact is both discord accounts (good discrims i.e. #0001) and OG Minecraft accounts are allowed to be sold on here, both being exceptions to the rule 5.4, if they were to allow discord tokens on a mass scale to be sold again, then they would need to allow nfa Minecraft accounts to be sold again. This would be taking a step backwards to getting to the goal of maintaining rule 5.4 fully. Im not saying the staff are right on picking and choosing what should be allowed and shouldnt, but if the marketplace does want to get to fully compliant with rule 5.4 then authorizing sales of discord tokens again is just a step backwards.

Comparing discord tokens to NFA account is ridiculous, NFA accounts are more than not cracked or stolen. Using those accounts, you risk doing actual damage to the orginal owner of the account(server bans, limiting account for too many different ips connected, etc). Discord tokens are generated on demand, no one is damaged here except the tos(not counting potential raids since what you do with the product is another thing. Just like you can buy an account to cheat with).

I don't think this has ANYTHING to do with the fact that it breaks the 5.4 rule, since other products does so. If you check back on previous threads where this was discussed, IIRC, a staff once said that the reason tokens was banned was because of potential raiding and that they couldn't verify that the account wasn't stolen. Sounds like yet another bullshit excuse.

 

[Justis]

my sincere apologies for stepping into this shithole but like

Firstly, this is a brilliant display of ad hominem.

If you look at the previous thread suggesting to remove MC accounts, you will see that this has already been pointed out. I even made a public statement about having previously bought MC accounts from people around when I first started using this site. At the time, I didn’t realize that these actions were a violation of anyone’s terms. Everyone on MC-Market was doing it and I didn’t bother to look any further into something that wasn’t my responsibility to look into. That was the job of the administration at the time, I rationed.

I don’t claim to be a perfect person. I’ve broken laws, even intentionally; be it for J-walking, speeding, or even trespassing. We do stupid things in our private lives, and not all of it is good. Most of the time, we live to regret it. However, when you are responsible for a platform of impressionable children and young adults, and when you talk about building a foundation of policies which will lead to long term success of that platform and those people, you’re taking on a responsibility that demands a higher standard than you set for yourself in your private life.

You don’t need to always drive below the speed limit in order to know that there should be a speed limit.
You don’t need to always tell the truth in order to teach your children not to lie.
You don’t need to have never violated an agreement before in order to know that a respectable and trustworthy marketplace platform doesn’t enable and support the violation of its users agreements.

I accept the responsibility that I shrugged off back when I joined the site as a normal user, and when making these decisions wasn’t within my power. I apologize for having not always lived by the rules I know should've been in place on a platform like this. Moreover, I promise to strive to make this a platform where new users won't have to choose between doing what everyone else is doing, and doing what is ethical and lawful, because I will strive to make this platform a place where those two are one in the same.

 

[Rages]

Could you write up what Discord tokens can be used for other than raiding?

Member boosting and discord discriminators

 

[Rages]

Sounds a lot like Discord advertisements that people offer.


Could you clarify on how one gets discriminators with tokens and how it's really different from making your own account or just using Nitro?

If you have a nitro discriminator it resets when your nitro subscription runs out.

 

[Mick]

We won't be changing our policy regarding discord tokens at this time.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion