Doing my part to eliminate Nukes

[Satan]

A legitimate serious topic that I'd like to share my views/do my part in helping the cause



TDLR sign your email up to notonukes.org and share the awareness of this for political pressure to be enacted on our countries to get rid of the dreadful mass destructive weapon.

The video basically states that no country or organization is even nearly ready for a real life dense city nuke disaster. Its simply too overwhelming and there'd be many many lives that will perish as there will be no resources toward recovering from such a disaster.

 

[QuickNote]

What if i wanna help nuke the city instead?

 

[Violet]

Before I die I want to nuke the whole earth :tup:

 

[Satan]

What if i wanna help nuke the city instead?

Before I die I want to nuke the whole earth :tup:

I know I should've expected you troll posters on a block game forum, but come on. I'm legitimately trying to convey my altruistic interest to rid of these real weapons to our real world that is in NO ONE's best interests to continue threatening the use or even the possession of nukes.

Please reconsider your posts and be mature.

 

[Violet]

I know I should've expected you troll posters on a block game forum, but come on. I'm legitimately trying to convey my altruistic interest to rid of these real weapons to our real world that is in NO ONE's best interests to continue threatening the use or even the possession of nukes.

Please reconsider your posts and be mature.

I'm being fr, that's my goal in life. That's what I want to acomplish something extraordinary.[DOUBLEPOST=1571006450][/DOUBLEPOST]But yeah these people shouldn't have them :rofl:

 

[Scroll32]

A legitimate serious topic that I'd like to share my views/do my part in helping the cause



TDLR sign your email up to notonukes.org and share the awareness of this for political pressure to be enacted on our countries to get rid of the dreadful mass destructive weapon.

The video basically states that no country or organization is even nearly ready for a real life dense city nuke disaster. Its simply too overwhelming and there'd be many many lives that will perish as there will be no resources toward recovering from such a disaster.

The thing is even though even if we all wanted them gone government would do nothing. Do you also realize if we (the United States) gave up nukes then all of a sudden enemy nations now have us hostage? We all don't want the end of the earth so thats why we have not gone to nuclear war. In a perfect world that if what we should do, but we don't live in a perfect world.

 

[Satan]

The thing is even though even if we all wanted them gone government would do nothing. Do you also realize if we (the United States) gave up nukes then all of a sudden enemy nations now have us hostage? We all don't want the end of the earth so thats why we have not gone to nuclear war. In a perfect world that if what we should do, but we don't live in a perfect world.

Not just the US, a worldwide effort to get those small group of insanely powerful people to thoroughly and truthfully render these weapons useless/gone.

Nukes aren't going anywhere. They're the best peacekeeping tool and weapon there is right now.

While I can see where you're coming from, I can only see this working in the short term. As technology advances and our politics keeps up, I find it harder and harder to believe that in the next few decades that a nuke won't be used on a densely popular city.

 

[Scroll32]

While I can see where you're coming from, I can only see this working in the short term. As technology advances and our politics keeps up, I find it harder and harder to believe that in the next few decades that a nuke won't be used on a densely popular city.[/QUOTE] While I will give you the benefit of the doubt on my point I do want to add something on this point. You do realize that this tactic worked for 40+ years doing the Cold War? Not to mention 30 years post Cold War to current day? If all countries gave up nukes it could possibly work but chances are low that it would happen.

 

[Satan]

You do realize that this tactic worked for 40+ years doing the Cold War? Not to mention 30 years post Cold War to current day? If all countries gave up nukes it could possibly work but chances are low.

I'm going to go with my gut (not hard research) that this fact was a statistical outlier in human behavior as the video suggests it only takes a small group of powerful people of very large military might countries to go cuckoo and ruin alot of lives in an instant. Its not just the US and Russia anymore, its other countries developing their own nukes too, as an effort to protect themselves as they say, BUT the larger countries like US will bully them into submission and claim they are not worthy of possessing such weapons.

Who is to say that we have the right as a country (Im from the US) to deem who is worthy of such a weaponized technology and who isn't? It is only most fair and safe (in many innocent live's best interests) to simply let go of this threat we loom over other countries.

 

[Scroll32]

You got a point that it only takes one incident to have an issue. But if you recall you still got 30 years of post Cold War with no nuclear instincts. You also have to think of it as a good thing for other countries. If we get rid of the nukes then we have even more power over the country as our military are bigger. But we are now gonna push for peace as they have a nuke we have a nuke and we have mutual respect.

 

[Satan]

You got a point that it only takes one incident to have an issue. But if you recall you still got 30 years of post Cold War with no nuclear instincts. You also have to think of it as a good thing for other countries. If we get rid of the nukes then we have even more power over the country as our military are bigger. But we are now gonna push for peace as they have a nuke we have a nuke and we have mutual respect.

But can you deny the very likely statistically significant event that someone powerful or a few goes insane and truly goes through using nukes without thorough reasoning?

This problem would be eliminated if there were no nukes to ready to be armed and used. I personally see that getting rid of nukes would accomplish the same sort of "mutual respect" so long as its what the regular citizens of developed educated countries pressure their politics to do.

 

[Scroll32]

I specifically agreed in my last statement that it is true that if a few go insane their could be an issue. But I also state that war with other countries normally does the same thing but over time. Also it is less likely that we are to respect their military as they will go on defense with a military. Also with countries like China for example if people were to protest for the end of nukes they would be suppressed. Then it is the same issue of "we have it because they do" argument like it is right now.

 

[AbandonedAccount]

Nukes are last resort weapons and many countries have heavy protocols before allowing them to be used. Even North Korea is hesitant to use their nuclear arsenal despite being one of the least stable countries.

 

[Ally]

Nukes aren't going anywhere. They're the best peacekeeping tool and weapon there is right now.

No, they're not. Mutually assured destruction is, not the weapons themselves. That's like saying guns are the best peacekeeping tools, when in fact, the people who use them don't actually keep the peace. So, not the weapons or the users: the consequences are the peacekeeper.

 

[roy]

The purpose of a nuclear arsenal is the concept of mutually assured destruction. While I do agree with you that the world would be much safer without every country having a nuclear weapon, the world will constantly have evil (and even subjectively good) people working for the next technological breakthrough in weapons of mass destruction. I would much rather every country possess nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction as the only countries who would sign a disarmament treaty are the countries who would abstain from using their weapons for bad, anyway.

Think about this for a moment, what happens when a terrorist organization or an unstable country such as North Korea begins threatening nuclear destruction when every other powerful country has signed a treaty and destroyed their weapons? The concept of mutually assured destruction is, as Ally stated, the consequences of your actions. If there is no consequence aside from the terrorist group or corrupt country destroying its opposition, there is no reason for them to not get their way. The same reasoning applies to the concept of firearms for self-defense. As a robber, if you pull a gun on someone and they pull one on you in return, you now have established a sense that both of you are at risk of death or serious bodily harm, so the best course of action is to retreat. If you pull that gun or threaten that country with a nuclear weapon and all they do is politely ask you to back down, you have no reason to, there is no feasible manner to establish any level of mutual risk of death or serious bodily harm.

I am not saying weapons of mass destruction or firearms are good to any extent, however, the consequences of mutually assured risk of death or injury are the greatest deterrent and without it, there is nothing to stop evil individuals from terrorizing whoever they want. At least with destructive weapons, we have the capacity to respond to threats with an equal or higher level of force.

 

[Satan]

At least with destructive weapons, we have the capacity to respond to threats with an equal or higher level of force.

And this is what I morally have the most issue with. This is true, only with dreadful consequences of many "innocent" lives caught in the decisions of a minority (politically powerful individuals). The rest of your post makes sense to me, but I can not agree on this as I am coming from the perspective that even if we do have "mutually assured mass destruction on all sides", it is not a morally valid reason to justify the mass elimination of many human lives.

 

[QuickNote]

I know I should've expected you troll posters on a block game forum, but come on. I'm legitimately trying to convey my altruistic interest to rid of these real weapons to our real world that is in NO ONE's best interests to continue threatening the use or even the possession of nukes.

Please reconsider your posts and be mature.

I'm a dead serious fuck humanity lol i'd nuke a place if i got the chance