GAListener - 1.12 Updated
- Thread starter LordOfTime
- Start date
- Status
PebbleHost
High performance, consistent uptime and fast support. Minecraft hosting that just works.
I don't think that excuses you from requesting the author's permission to resell their work.
You can't resell what's not yours, lol.
The thread for this plugin hasn't been active in over a year. The author is no longer supporting the plugin, I have already confirmed this, the comments section for GAL is literally filled with people requesting 1.12 support, with no response. I am not selling the plugin, I am selling an update to it, and if the author would like to request a recall of all of these due to it not being my work, they are more than free to do so. This thread is here because I have received several(I believe it was 5) PM's prior to this asking me to update the plugin, as I had previously posted on an update request, from a user who had tried and failed to contact the dev on getting the plugin updated. I'm also not selling it expensively, the running price is single digits. The only reason why I'm not giving it away free is because I don't work for free, but I can assure you, I'm making almost nothing off of this anyways compared to the request work I do. Now, if I was trying to make money off of somebody else's plugin, I'd feel you'd be more than justified in complaining, but I'm reselling this to allow other users access to it on 1.12 while also not working for free, that's all. If anybody here is truly so put off by this that you feel it should be taken action on, feel free to file a report on the matter, and I'll be happy to remove this thread and cease allowing users to get the 1.12 version of this plugin from me.
For all interested, here is the GAL thread: https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/give-anything-listener
And here are quotes from the comments section:
- it broke on 1.12 and the plugin seems to be abandoned. RIP GAListener
- Just so I am understanding this plugin is not being updated...so suggestions on other plugins before I do 1.12 update.
- We desperately need to update this resource! Or anyone else have any ide how to solve this problem on 1.12? Or other similar plugin?
- Update please! 1.12
- Please update to 1.12!
- Will there be 1.12 support soon?
- No longer works for 1.12: https://gyazo.com/9f6f7adaa2f31b391bfbeb33acd275b6
- --- two error reports, check the thread for them as I don't want to fill this comment with them
Last edited:
Well, if you think you are completely justified in plagiarizing someone else's work, the why the secrecy and having people pm you? get it up onto the Spigot or Bukkit sites and let EVERYONE get a look at at. to me this smacks of the dodgy bloke in the ally trying to sell stolen watches. Its a shame because GAListener was a great plugin. Id buy it if was legit and this does NOT look legit from here.
As much as I appreciate the response from a literally fresh member, as I have said, I do not work for free (or, at least not when I can avoid it). I don't give out stuff I've worked on for free, except for extenuating circumstances, when people couldn't pay anything, and in that case I do, have, and will give away free work if it means helping people out. I have already given out free copies of this to those who could not afford to pay anything, and if you require proof that this is legitimate (my 15 positive rep should be proof enough, but I get that you may not understand the reputation system yet), I would be happy to go and find people from my conversations who have either received the plugin for free or who have paid a small amount for it, and give you their names so you can go contact them yourself.
The reason I do this privately is so that I don't have to set some silly standard price for people. People pay what they think is fair for the update. I have never set an amount or price for anybody who bought this. I simply ask what they think it's worth, and then they pay that amount and we move on. For those individuals who were unable to pay (I have had one thus far, I believe, that has contacted me), I have given away the plugin for free. That is why I do it privately.
As for your accusations of plagiarism, I don't claim ownership of this, and I'm not saying "if you want it for 1.12, you have to get it here". You may gladly join the people in the comments on the GAL thread asking for it to be updated. You may also get somebody else to update it for you. I am not making a large profit on this, and I only ask that people pay what they believe to be a reasonable amount so that I can avoid giving away my work for free to people who are both capable of paying and who value the work that I do. I haven't accepted any amount above... I believe $5 for this was the largest anybody's said they thought it was worth. Most people take it for a couple bucks, and I appreciate that. I am more than happy to discuss this with anybody who takes offense to it, but I prefer to have any such (extended) conversations privately so as to avoid filling up this thread with it. Then again, if you would interpret that as "secrecy" as you put it (
) I would be more than happy to publicly discuss any and all moral, economic, or other aspects of this issue
Last edited:
As much as I appreciate the response from a literally fresh member, as I have said, I do not work for free (or, at least not when I can avoid it). I don't give out stuff I've worked on for free, except for extenuating circumstances, when people couldn't pay anything, and in that case I do, have, and will give away free work if it means helping people out. I have already given out free copies of this to those who could not afford to pay anything, and if you require proof that this is legitimate (my 15 positive rep should be proof enough, but I get that you may not understand the reputation system yet), I would be happy to go and find people from my conversations who have either received the plugin for free or who have paid a small amount for it, and give you their names so you can go contact them yourself.
The reason I do this privately is so that I don't have to set some silly standard price for people. People pay what they think is fair for the update. I have never set an amount or price for anybody who bought this. I simply ask what they think it's worth, and then they pay that amount and we move on. For those individuals who were unable to pay (I have had one thus far, I believe, that has contacted me), I have given away the plugin for free. That is why I do it privately.
As for your accusations of plagiarism, I don't claim ownership of this, and I'm not saying "if you want it for 1.12, you have to get it here". You may gladly join the people in the comments on the GAL thread asking for it to be updated. You may also get somebody else to update it for you. I am not making a large profit on this, and I only ask that people pay what they believe to be a reasonable amount so that I can avoid giving away my work for free to people who are both capable of paying and who value the work that I do. I haven't accepted any amount above... I believe $5 for this was the largest anybody's said they thought it was worth. Most people take it for a couple bucks, and I appreciate that. I am more than happy to discuss this with anybody who takes offense to it, but I prefer to have any such (extended) conversations privately so as to avoid filling up this thread with it. Then again, if you would interpret that as "secrecy" as you put it (
Interesting that you rate my comments purely based on how long ive been here. Simple fact of the matter is this:
1. You have openly stated that you have copied someone else's work and am now selling it off as your own. By definition that is plagerism.
2. no one expects you to work for free. so put a price on it and get it into the mainstream plugins. If people think its too expensive then they wont buy it, at that point you can lower the price.
now, don't get me wrong. there have been many instances where other people have taken on plugins that were abandoned and kept them moving along. EssentialsX for example. I don't have a problem with you forking off GAListener and making it your own and I'm sure the real owner would not have a problem with it either. My question is why are you avoiding the mainstream plugin lists (Spigot and Bukkit)? That makes me very suspicious, simply because selling stuff this way has NO credibility. your reasons for selling it privately is weak at best. you can place a donate button.. or here's a thought, sell it BOTH ways........here AND on the Spigot site
sorry, but no sale, at least not until you place it into the Spigot or Bukkit sites.
but hey, I'm juts a "new" member these forums....what would I know....
Don't take it the wrong way, I strive to be one of the more respectful people here when it comes to newer members, as I recognize that they've had plenty of experience before they got here. It's just that such criticism, especially since you did somewhat imply that I was somehow "not legit", to which I take personal offence given that I try very, very hard to make sure everybody I interact with gets exactly what they asked me for, is a serious allegation to me. I'm sure you can see how that would be offensive for somebody to make an account, seemingly just to accuse me of being a fraud in some capacity. Now, that offence is purely because I interpret your statements as being against myself and my credibility, not because you are new to McM. I personally hated it when people questioned my ability as a developer because I hadn't been here for years. Thus, I make it a point to try and encourage people to be accepting of new members, and to listen to their opinions. However, it would be more reasonable if you had merely asked for some form of proof as to the legitimacy of the plugin, rather than beginning the conversation with an accusation against me, despite all of the honest work I have done and continue to do. I don't judge you or your comments based on your length of time here, but I would appreciate it if you would, in return, not be so quick to insult my reputation by implying that I might be trying to pull something when I'm just doing honest work for a small amount of money.
As for your points, you're suggesting something that isn't possible. I can't post this on those sites, because this is already an existing plugin, but I'd imagine that you already know the issues with that. They'd deny it in a heartbeat. As for a donate button, we both know how well that works in practice. When placing a donate button, it's generally akin to saying "have it for free, even though we can both agree it should be worth something, and if you end up being one of the rare nice people to donate, then sure, toss me a dollar". Believe me, I'd like to do this on a donations based system, except that a voluntary donation system never works in small scale systems (there's a reason why small internet artists rarely make anything resembling a living). That's why I do a similar, one on one situation. People are a lot more likely to be honest, and then actually give an honest "donation" if you wish to call it that, when it's a "hey, name what you think this is worth and we can go with that".
So, as far as I can tell, your primary complaint is that I am not selling it on any mainstream sites. The issue is that, while here there is some reasonable flexibility given that the plugin is not maintained and that I am charging a very reasonable, and very flexible price (heck, I'm basically letting people pay whatever they want, with the limitation being that if they're able to pay something, then they do pay something), said flexibility doesn't exist on those sites. I believe the broken GAL is still even for sale on one or both of Bukkit or Spigot (I haven't checked recently, but I know that at the time of my updating this, I saw at least one "buy" button on one of the sites). I'm sure you can see how those sites would never in a million years allow me to walk in and begin selling an update to an existing plugin, regardless of the fact that it's broken. I would also submit a request to the developer to take over the plugin, except that, to my knowledge, the developer isn't even active on any of the sites anymore, as he hasn't so much as responded to any of the numerous complaints that the plugin is outdated and thus useless to most people, nor has he (once again, to my limited knowledge via research) made any statement regarding his intentions for any of his work. Thus, I severely doubt he would respond, much less hand over the reigns of a for-sale plugin to me just because I updated it
This isn't to say that the suggestion was stupid, because I would fully agree with you that selling it on an official website would be preferable, if possible. However, it is not possible as far as I can tell at this time, thus I sell it here. I could make a Sellfy for it, but that would require everybody to pay the same price if they want it (now, if multiple people here think that's a good idea, then by all means, I'll go whip up a Sellfy for this at a midline price and we can be done with it), and that isn't fair to the people who can't pay much or anything for it. It seems to me that the most egalitarian way to distribute this, besides either free-posting it (which also seems wrong, given that the original plugin is a for-sale object (or at least used to be in some form), and therefore seems like publicly "pirating" the whole plugin), which doesn't get me any money for my work, or locking it behind a third-party seller, who will then both take more of the money, thus ensuring that I either get less money per person who sends it while feeding some website such as Sellfy, or that people have to pay more for me to get the same amount, neither of which is fair, and especially not the latter. Thus, while I certainly see where you're coming from, I can't see a better alternative to my current methodology. That being said, I'm of course open to any suggestions you may have regarding potential ways to more fairly give access to the update.
As for your point about plagiarism, I have not once denied that this is, speaking in terms of definition, plagiarism in that I am, in some way, using somebody else's work, and they have not given me express permission to do so. However, the implied meaning of plagiarism, which is trying to pass somebody else's work as your own, is not applicable here, thus I would question labeling it as such, as plagarism is generally used for somebody who would try to pass of their work as somebody else's without admitting that it was not there's and giving credit where credit is due. I have said, I believe as one of the opening lines of this post, and I even used bold text for emphasis, that this is not my work. This is GAL, made by the original author, just that I have updated it. That is all I've ever claimed, and that is all I will claim. I am in no way taking credit for anything other than making the plugin run on newer MC versions. Thus, sure, you may label this as plagiarism, and sure, you're technically correct, but the implication of the term is certainly not applicable here.
EDIT: For clarification, forking would require source code access such as via Github, which I'm not aware of being publicly available for this plugin. Without said public source code, I don't have public domain in order to re-release the plugin under a forked project, and thus I can't officially release it. If anybody can find public source for this that isn't super outdated (the update uses a rather recent version so there hasn't been much if any feature loss that I'm aware of), I'd be happy to look at that and see if it's licensed such that I could fork it. I also haven't put any significant quantity of looking into this plugin as of late, so if any of my knowledge regarding the status of it or it's author are incorrect, please let me know.
EDIT on the EDIT: If you don't believe that any of my answers to your points were satisfactory, then please, feel free to ask questions or point out issues. Also, as a footnote, I'm not here to... What do they call it, "flex"? on you, as the hip people say, I'm just here to defend what I'm doing, and to discuss the issues that you have with my doing so. If you feel at all personally attacked or offended, then please feel free to let me know why you take offense to something I've said and I'll happily amend or remove it. I like to keep conversations civil for everybody involved
Last edited:
- Status
