Get TOS's reviewed by staff before being used

[Kavish]

Hey,

I have seen some ridiculous TOS that people use, and I don't think its fair for people to have such dumb TOS's. You might say that "Well then just don't deal with them", but sometimes, people don't read the TOS's and they get taken advantage of when they file a scam report and the thing the guy broke was in their TOS saying that they could. Also the people with the "This TOS can be changed at any time" is just dumb. The point is, that the TOS can save someone's ass in a scam report, even if it is scummy they can still do it. I see so many loopholes in the TOS system and I don't know how many people are abusing it. Tell me what you think.

Edit: This is what I mean by abusing TOS
Guy has normal TOS, but includes this can change at any time.
When he get contacted by a buyer, he changes the TOS right away to where "If account gets pulled, it is not my fault and cannot be scam reported".
The user agrees to buy it 1-2 hours later, pays 200$ for an OG, uses it for 2 days and it gets pulled. I'm not saying that the seller did it, but the seller could have well known that it had a high chance of getting pulled. He can also argue that he changed the TOS 1-2 hours before him buying so It wasn't his fault for playing hooky.

Edit 2: I think all users when selling should always tell their buyer to review their TOS right before the deal. If not done, they shouldn't be able to use their TOS in a scam report as evidence.

 

[Shizuka]

I disagree and agree, so I stand neutral. The main part of the TOS should be up to the seller and should be reviewed by the buyer beforehand.

The “TOS can be changed at any time” part is what should’nt be allowed. Unless done before dealing and the seller has notified everyone of the change, it should not be able to simply be changed at “any time”.

 

[Kavish]

I disagree and agree, so I stand neutral. The main part of the TOS should be up to the seller and should be reviewed by the buyer beforehand.

The “TOS can be changed at any time” part is what should’nt be allowed. Unless done before dealing and the seller has notified everyone of the change, it should not be able to simply be changed at “any time”.

I agree at this. However, the parts where "If the account gets pulled, I have no liability" is really annoying, because you don't know how secure an account may be and its a huge risk. The seller may in fact be the ones pulling back the account and we don't know!

 

[Harry]

Way too much effort for the sake of reading a seller's TOS.

I agree at this. However, the parts where "If the account gets pulled, I have no liability" is really annoying, because you don't know how secure an account may be and its a huge risk. The seller may in fact be the ones pulling back the account and we don't know!

If an account got pulled, and there was evidence to prove the seller did it, they would be punished, no matter their TOS, but either way, you need evidence.

Also, regarding people being able to change their TOS at any time; the user would have to agree with the new terms or have explicitly said that they agree to keep up to date with the seller's TOS etc (i.e if a seller changed their TOS, to defend themselves from a scam report etc, it would be a valid argument that you did not agree to this new TOS, and so, only the old TOS applies).

Just my view, but I'm guessing that's how it's handled on MC-M. If not, someone can correct me.

 

[Omnibenevolent]

I disagree and agree, so I stand neutral. The main part of the TOS should be up to the seller and should be reviewed by the buyer beforehand.

The “TOS can be changed at any time” part is what should’nt be allowed. Unless done before dealing and the seller has notified everyone of the change, it should not be able to simply be changed at “any time”.

This guy summarised it pretty well, there's no need for the extra workload on staff members, just disallow that disclaimer and go from there.

 

[punctured]

MCM does not uphold any personal terms of service and should not be expected to. If something is ridiculous and brought up in a scam report, the personal terms will be ignored.

 

[Kavish]

This guy summarised it pretty well, there's no need for the extra workload on staff members, just disallow that disclaimer and go from there.

Yeah I guess just removing the "This can change at all time works"

 

[Wolfiediamond]

I agree, but please please please check your own bloody TOS in your signature!

Thread:

When he get contacted by a buyer, he changes the TOS right away to where "If account gets pulled, it is not my fault and cannot be scam reported".

Your TOS:

 

[Kavish]

I agree, but please please please check your own bloody TOS in your signature!

Thread:


Your TOS:

Yes, I also have in #5 (unless discussed previously). Also in 1A, a if they have an issue with my TOS, they just ask me and we set a temporary one. I also will state it in my thread, but I will clear that up more.

 

[Mick]

I believe that the solution to these ridiculous terms of services isn't manual staff approval, but instead a proper "contract" system for deals, incentivising deals to take place on MCM with the ability to mutually agree to pre-made (but customised) terms of service.

As Eclipse has said, the suggestion you've made isn't really plausible for staff to be able to manually review them all. If someone has terms of service with terms like "you will never get a refund" and they scam, we will just ignore that.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.