Have a "Current Scam report open" badge or something

[Vented]

a badge, when you click him it says current scam report or smth. idk but a way to tell

 

[Samuel]

I personally like this idea. It doesn't have to be a big red flag on their posts or anything - just a simple badge under their profile picture in any message (including PM they make) saying "Scam Report: Undecided" or something, which links to the scam report.

The benefits I see are:

1. There will be less scam reports because users are more likely to click that than to go to the SR section themselves and see if some dude is there, thus avoiding potential scammers.
2. Staff will be freed up because of there being less scam reports.
3. It will encourage the user to work quicker to resolve the scam report, because they will magically feel like they are being hurt by the UNDECIDED SCAM REPORT SWORDS RAHHHH.

So yeah, has my backing.

 

[Samuel]

That is so useless because if the scam report is up, people should already be seeing if there's an active scam report open. If the report isn't open, what's the point in linking the scam report if it's not up for the public to read yet?

Undecided is not open. Undecided would be to clarify that they have not been considered a scammer, but there is a report open.

I didn't say "Scam Report: Pending to be Opened".

 

[1337]

Say there's the following situation. Person A commissions person B for a commission. After the commission is completed, Person A decides to create a scam report because Person B refused to provide extra work for free. Now, a scam report is made and opened, yet Person B is not at all at fault but his name and profile are tainted by an official site badge stating that he's scamming (or at least that's how people on this market will 100% take it, I guarantee you). A negative reputation for scamming is far more reasonable, as a site-issued badge would make it look as if MCM recognizes that you have scammed, which can ruin a person's reputation for good. This is a good idea on surface, but when looked into further, it has major issues.

 

[Samuel]

1. This is due to laziness. If you do not have time to make sure someone doesn't have scam reports open, you shouldn't be dealing with the person. Why should there be a badge just because someone is too lazy to go to the main page, scroll down to the scam reports section and find the person's scam report. You can also use this drop menu to go to Support, which will lead you to the scam reports or support requests then all you have to do is click "Scam Reports". You may need to see if the user had a previous username to see if they have a scam report in their previous name.

People are lazy just by human nature. Why not reduce the burden on staff by giving some very basic support to lazy people.

2. No, this will not avoid potential scammers at all. If the report is not up, how do you tell who made the thread? If someone was in fact scamming, do you believe they'll admit to the scam report being true? No. It's not unlikely, but why have a badge if there's a slim possibility that the accused scammer will admit to it?

If the report isn't up, you have absolutely no way of knowing anyway. I don't see why you keep bringing up "if the report is not up".

3. This is not always the case. There's been people like MTG who had over 100+ rep that scammed various people and he didn't try to resolve it at all. There's Mindcwaft, who had various neg reps for scamming and he still tried to scam more people before his scam reports were up. Just because a scam report is up doesn't mean the person is guilty. Just because a scam report is up doesn't mean the person is guilty and will try to resolve the issue(s). It's only a matter of who the report is on.

You're absolutely right - but there are a lot of people with scam reports who have resolved them. The badge under their name would encourage them to act faster. Obviously common sense will tell you that if someone doesn't care, they're not going to respond.

I know you said undecided, so that's why having a badge stating that AND linking the scam report is useless. I am not saying the idea of a badge is useless in itself but the idea of having the scam report linked in the badge is useless because no one can make the correct decision of dealing with someone if the report isn't up for the public to read. It will give the accused scammer a bad rep and not as much, but it will give the person that was going to deal with the accused scammer a slightly bad rep for not being reasonable and getting all of the facts.

The badge wouldn't show up unless the scam report was public. There would be nothing to link to otherwise, and the report could be denied before they even accept it. If it's public, they should then be labelled and have the badge linking to the report. Isn't that plainly obvious how it should work if it were implemented?

You can't really defend yourself from an un-open scam report if you don't know who reported you or what the accusation is. Some people report for the dumbest things and while not all or majority do that, some still do. You could have made someone a logo, made a TOS and they report you for not doing something that wasn't stated in the TOS and what if you had several clients that you made logos for? There's endless possibilites of what will be in a scam report so the idea of having a badge is unnecessary as it will only damage people's reputations for literally no reason.

Again, use your brain here. You wouldn't be labelled until something is public. I'm not going to repeat more on that.

When the scam report is open, people will be able to see the situation and follow it then deal with the person afterwards if they choose to.

...and the badge/link would provide quick access to that.

 

[d0331j]

Say there's the following situation. Person A commissions person B for a commission. After the commission is completed, Person A decides to create a scam report because Person B refused to provide extra work for free. Now, a scam report is made and opened, yet Person B is not at all at fault but his name and profile are tainted by an official site badge stating that he's scamming (or at least that's how people on this market will 100% take it, I guarantee you). A negative reputation for scamming is far more reasonable, as a site-issued badge would make it look as if MCM recognizes that you have scammed, which can ruin a person's reputation for good. This is a good idea on surface, but when looked into further, it has major issues.

The BIG difference I see between a badge/label/whatever is that it will go away when Person B is cleared of their wrong doing. The reputation may stay forever. No matter how you look at it people are already being labeled as scammers "by the site" which promotes the idea of this reputation system. At least with a site driven tag, it will 100% be removed if they are innocent and if they aren't... well no need for it to be removed.

People keep bringing up this idea that "people should be able to go look and see for themselves if there is a scam report". 100% CORRECT! You SHOULD be able to. As I've pointed out numerous times in this thread. YOU CAN'T!! Unless a moderator has sent un-moderated the post. Someone please go look to see if I have any scam reports open against people. I do, but who are they against?? Wouldn't you like to be able to see that information? I sure would!!

It blows my mind that so many people are against making information about possible threats easier to access. Would it suck to have a badge on your profile? YES. Would it potentially make people think twice about trying to cut corners/scam/provide crap service? YES. Are there cases where it is sometimes just not possible to come to a resolution between 2 parties where it ends up in a scam report? YES.

Making this information OPEN the minute it is made, and allowing me, a paying customer to see the proof (or lack of) so I can make an INFORMED decision, like everyone here is claiming people should do, is the way things should happen.

WHY do we hide information until a moderator can look at it a month or 2 later?? Does anyone have a good argument for that??

 

[Mick]

As other people have said, this has been suggested in the past and denied each time. What I said about this suggestion last time was:

That suggestion has been made about 4 times this week and denied each time, users are innocent until proven guilty and we're not going to hinder someones ability to get new clients because of a scam report against them that they might not have even been involved in.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.