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What's your company's registration number because I can't seem to find it on Companies House?
 

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Not legally registered maybe?
Yeah, most likely but they said "privately owned UK company". I hope they know that referring to their business as a company when it's not registered is illegal...

Edit: Also, their website doesn't seem like the provider has open for 8 years IMO.
 
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Hey! So live chat claims they own the cpanel server, but when you go to http://holyhost.co.uk:2083 it redirects to https://tanzanite.mycpanelservice.com:2083/[DOUBLEPOST=1518550640][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yeah, most likely but they said "privately owned UK company". I hope they know that referring to their business as a company when it's not registered is illegal...

Edit: Also, their website doesn't seem like the provider has open for 8 years IMO.
To be a company you do not have to be an LTD (on companys house). You can also be sole trader which means > "'A sole trader is a person who sets up and owns their own business. They may decide to employ other people but they are the only owner. A sole trader has unlimited liability.' As a sole trader, your business is owned entirely by you, grown by you and ultimately succeeds or fails by you." This means: Sole traders do not have to be registered at Companies House. You only need to do this if you are setting up a limited company or Limited Liability Partnership (LLP). To operate as a sole trader you must register with HMRC for Self-Assessment. More information can be found on the below links https://www.1stformations.co.uk/blog/sole-trader-or-limited-company/ https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader
 
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Hey! So live chat claims they own the cpanel server, but when you go to http://holyhost.co.uk:2083 it redirects to https://tanzanite.mycpanelservice.com:2083/[DOUBLEPOST=1518550640][/DOUBLEPOST]
To be a company you do not have to be an LTD (on companys house). You can also be sole trader which means > "'A sole trader is a person who sets up and owns their own business. They may decide to employ other people but they are the only owner. A sole trader has unlimited liability.' As a sole trader, your business is owned entirely by you, grown by you and ultimately succeeds or fails by you." This means: Sole traders do not have to be registered at Companies House. You only need to do this if you are setting up a limited company or Limited Liability Partnership (LLP). To operate as a sole trader you must register with HMRC for Self-Assessment. More information can be found on the below links https://www.1stformations.co.uk/blog/sole-trader-or-limited-company/ https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader
You're wrong. You cannot refer to a business as a "Company" unless it has been registered at a government organisation such as Companies House in the UK (where this business is located).

A sole trader doesn't count as a "Company". It's merely a business.
 
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You're wrong. You cannot refer to a business as a "Company" unless it has been registered at a government organisation such as Companies House in the UK (where this business is located).

A sole trader doesn't count as a "Company". It's merely a business.
As stated on the gov.uk website, a sole trader is still a business "If you’re a sole trader, you run your own business as an individual and are self-employed. You can keep all your business’s profits after you’ve paid tax on them. You’re personally responsible for any losses your business makes. You must also follow certain rules on running and naming your business. Check what counts as self-employed if you’re not sure about your status."
 

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As stated on the gov.uk website, a sole trader is still a business "If you’re a sole trader, you run your own business as an individual and are self-employed. You can keep all your business’s profits after you’ve paid tax on them. You’re personally responsible for any losses your business makes. You must also follow certain rules on running and naming your business. Check what counts as self-employed if you’re not sure about your status."
Do you realise that a 'Company' is the legal name for a registered business and in this case, I cannot find the business on Companies House and so, the business is not registered (unless it's with a different name)?

So this user cannot use the term 'Company' unless the business has actually been registered somewhere.
 

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Mate your an absolute moron! A company is a company, this can be a LTD (which you will find on companies house) on a sole trader which you won't find on companies house (as that's just for LTD company's - "limited company")

A registered company can be either an LTD or Sole Trader!

Some definitions for you below:

In a limited company, the liability of members or subscribers of the company is limited to what they have invested or guaranteed to the company. Limited companies may be limited by shares or by guarantee.

A sole proprietorship, also known as the sole trader or simply a proprietorship, is a type of enterprise that is owned and run by one natural person and in which there is no legal distinction between the owner and the business entity.


More information on sole traders.

https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/...lly-registered-as-a-sole-trader-in-uk.164992/


and as you can see on the government website:
https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader

If you’re a sole trader, you run your own business as an individual and are self-employed.

You can keep all your business’s profits after you’ve paid tax on them. You’re personally responsible for any losses your business makes. You must also follow certain rules on running and naming your business.

Pretty certain that if the government say a sole trader is still a business that means they can be a business!

Think before you post!
I'm on about this user referring to the business as a 'Company' when not registered. I was heavily under the impression that this was illegal unless they business is in fact registered.

So you're saying that a sole trader can call their business a 'Company'?

Edit: Again, I'm on about the user saying 'Company'. It's fine to call it a business obviously...
 
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Correct, they are still a "company", just under a different registration type (there are pros and cons of both) - the main one being an LTD means the company can go into debt instead of the owner, and a sole trader meaning the owner is legally responsible for the debt.

Basically the main this is, while a sole trader can say they are a business/company they can not say they are a "limited company" or "LTD" if they are not registered on company house (as a Limited Company).
Yes, I know all about the business structure.

My point is that you've just said: "A registered company can be either an LTD or Sole Trader!"

You don't register as a sole trader...
 

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Incorrect! You still have to register as a sole trader as per the government guidelines,

as stated on here!

https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader

How to register
To set up as a sole trader, you need to register for Self Assessment and file a tax return every year.
Yes, but that's registering with HMRC and the tax service which has nothing to do with registering as a sole trader (that's to pay tax for the business).

There is no registration process for a sole trader like there is for a company.
 
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Still requires them to register, and still makes them a registered company if they have done so! Again as stated they are not a limited company, and they have not stated to be so. They still may have registered and filed to become a sole trader!
No, they don't. They don't become a registered company just because they register through HMRC and the tax service.
 

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No, they don't. They don't become a registered company just because they register through HMRC and the tax service.
Hello there,

As Jackis16 stated, a Soletrader is a business type in which is operated by many throughout the United Kingdom.
As stated from the following source: https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader

The source states "If you’re a sole trader, you run your own business as an individual and are self-employed." which clearly displays that a Soletrader is a type of business within operation within the United Kingdom. Therefore, this means that a Soletrader is a valid type of business which can be operated while based within the United Kingdom.

Kind regards,
Nicholas.
 

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Hello there,

As Jackis16 stated, a Soletrader is a business type in which is operated by many throughout the United Kingdom.
As stated from the following source: https://www.gov.uk/set-up-sole-trader

The source states "If you’re a sole trader, you run your own business as an individual and are self-employed." which clearly displays that a Soletrader is a type of business within operation within the United Kingdom. Therefore, this means that a Soletrader is a valid type of business which can be operated while based within the United Kingdom.

Kind regards,
Nicholas.
Yes, I agree and why are you mentioning this. I'm on about the legal use of 'Company' which is the legal term for a registered business.

Also, any working person will have to register with HMRC and the tax service but that doesn't make them a sole trader, does it?
 
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"Company" is not the legal term for an LTD business registered on companies house right? The legal term for a limited company is LTD (Limited Company) meaning limited in liability. The word company does not mean the same as a (Limited Company) they are two different terms in business.

Definition of a company is below:

"a commercial business."
"United Kingdom. In English law and in legal jurisdictions based upon it, a company is a body corporate or corporation company registered under the Companies Acts or similar legislation. Common forms include: Private companies limited by guarantee. Companies without share capital (often non-profit entities)"

As a sole trader is not registered under this legislation stated, it cannot be referred to as a 'Company'.

More info on the wiki link confirms my belief.

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company[DOUBLEPOST=1518554175][/DOUBLEPOST]I think you'll are getting confused with the US law where "a company is not necessarily a corporation" eg. It could be a sole trader.
 
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