I want to get peoples opinions

[adamawesome135]

Also if you do disagree with me can you guys state your reason? I would love to know the reason why so I can maybe change for the better if its a major issue..

I have ran multiple projects right... and I hire others to help complete the project and speed it up. Issue is freelancers or anyone else whos apart of the project lacks in communication which is a big issue in a lot of companies/projects. I had freelancers get pissed at me for constantly messaging them about any sort of progress since I saw none.

Am I in the wrong? or is the freelancer completely wrong for this? I saw 0 progress

In my opinion its 100% the freelancers fault for lacking any sort of communication due to people who are running the project worry and don't want to have any sort of delay or issues with the project. But even a single message back to the management members of the project solves issues like this. It got to the point where they were not doing anything and claiming they would do the work but in a quarter of the timeframe given even though its a huge workload to do. Personally I would say its impossible since they say they have work and school so that's why I gave a huge timeframe.

 

[adamawesome135]

Update:
- Keep in mind everyone I have to wait around 24-48 hours sometimes to get any sort of response but its a single response and my questions don't get answered... They are being paid to fulfil a job they accepted its like any job even IRL you work for someone you update the boss??

 

[adamawesome135]

Allow me to provide a contrasting perspective.

When you're commissioned for a task, you don't necessarily need to be working on it throughout the duration of the timeframe given. You're given/you give a deadline, and once you mutually agree on that deadline, freelancers generally don't like to be pestered non-stop. Even if it may take them only a couple of hours to do, freelancers give long deadlines because:

1. Your project isn't the only project they are working on. They would have multiple projects.
2. If they give a one week timeframe on Sunday, messaging them on Monday/Tuesday will make no difference if they intend to start only by Thursday and deliver on Sunday.
   
3. Many freelancers though the work itself would take them only a small amount of time, actually finding the time to do said work is far greater.

It would be an issue if they extended the deadline or tried to cross it but tbh most freelancers only give you deadlines when they start the work - and they have no need to start the work at the time you request. The point of being a freelancer is that you don't decide the times they work and don't, you only get to negotiate the terms of pay and product details + delivery. If you want to dictate the times they work, you should hire an employee not a freelancer.


IRL employee-employer relationships are way different from MCM freelancer-client relationships, even IRL freelancer-client relationships. The terms of the employment are quite different and that's a fundamental distinction you're going to have to understand.

If they don't deliver within the promised timeframe however, they are most definitely at fault. But most of the time this hyper-focus on updates updates updates by clients is a non-issue and stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of how freelancing actually works.



I mean technically it depends on the freelancer. I have completed work in less than a day when I gave the timeframe as 2 weeks. I had a fairly large backend order and had my timeframe as 2 weeks, it was done with in 3 days - I understand that your experiences and requests were not the same as my client's, but I'm giving you an example of how little time it actually takes to work - freelancing timeframes, just like business timeframes, are more processing and administration than work itself.

When you hire an employee, you're perfectly in the right to expect progress updates and such. You're salarying them, after all. When you're hiring a freelancer/contractor, you generally work with nothing more than a deadline, project details and amount paid.


Not to be offensive here, just stating what I've heard - but you don't have a good reputation among most freelancers. Not going to state names but perhaps you'll be able to work it out with them.

First thank you for replying

I would like to mention
A: It was not an MCM Freelancer but either way if your being paid for communication is the key for a lot of things.

They were given 3 weeks and 2 weeks past with 0 progress so I am sure most people would be upset with this.

I can provide proof I was fair to most freelancers there were a lot of freelancers who have wasted my time which were 100% on them. I understand sometimes I can be annoying with asking for any sort of update but ignoring blatantly a client should never be a thing a freelancer does.

Paying anyone to complete anything should be provided information on what they are paying for. I understand with the whole "IRL Job" where people are being paid salary but if you accept a job with anyone even if its short term communicating with the client is a big thing.[DOUBLEPOST=1632119501][/DOUBLEPOST]

pls bro maybe they don't wanna talk to you because of how you talk to THEM

I was always professional about it I was never rude or anything... I just wanted to know how the things I was paying for were coming along?

 

[adamawesome135]

Fair enough. Like I said your experiences and my experiences are different - and I don't know the full situation - but it's possible that the freelancer intended to work on this during the last week.


Just telling you what I've heard - I'm not making any judgement on the situation myself.


Paying someone to complete something gets you a product. While it's courteous for freelancers to provide updates and it'll probably inspire the person to come back again for more orders, I'm just saying that there are multiple factors involved and you cannot expect the same co-operation you would expect from a salaried employee.

Nobody is ever perfect but if a freelancer doesn't express there feelings to the client that's on them. If a client has an issue with the freelancer I am sure they bring it up as I do because I do not want to be wasting any sort of time.

Also you said they can complete it in a week when before they said it was "impossible" clearly if they say that how would they complete it with no progress at all like 0. They keep saying they would say but no progress has begun which has caused me to think it would never get started.

If people keep throwing things aside nothing will get done as they are slackers.

 

[Matty]

Also if you do disagree with me can you guys state your reason? I would love to know the reason why so I can maybe change for the better if its a major issue..

I have ran multiple projects right... and I hire others to help complete the project and speed it up. Issue is freelancers or anyone else whos apart of the project lacks in communication which is a big issue in a lot of companies/projects. I had freelancers get pissed at me for constantly messaging them about any sort of progress since I saw none.

Am I in the wrong? or is the freelancer completely wrong for this? I saw 0 progress

In my opinion its 100% the freelancers fault for lacking any sort of communication due to people who are running the project worry and don't want to have any sort of delay or issues with the project. But even a single message back to the management members of the project solves issues like this. It got to the point where they were not doing anything and claiming they would do the work but in a quarter of the timeframe given even though its a huge workload to do. Personally I would say its impossible since they say they have work and school so that's why I gave a huge timeframe.

This completely depends on the type of freelancing work they do & on the attitude you message them in my opinion. If a freelancer is doing management, for example, I'd hope they're able to respond within 24-48 hours in the worst-case scenario. However, if the freelancer is doing artwork, I could understand why it may be frustrating to get constant messages - nonetheless, getting "pissed" off shouldn't happen to be completely honest considering it is freelance work you're hired to do meaning you should be expecting a few messages here and there for progress or possibly even proof of progress.

 

[adamawesome135]

This completely depends on the type of freelancing work they do & on the attitude you message them in my opinion. If a freelancer is doing management, for example, I'd hope they're able to respond within 24-48 hours in the worst-case scenario. However, if the freelancer is doing artwork, I could understand why it may be frustrating to get constant messages - nonetheless, getting "pissed" off shouldn't happen to be completely honest considering it is freelance work you're hired to do meaning you should be expecting a few messages here and there for progress or possibly even proof of progress.

This was based on development

 

[Matty]

This was based on development

Some developers could just not enjoy getting notifications whilst developing and therefore disable them as opposed to ignoring your messages on purpose. Also, I've just read through the previous conversations and I'd like to state that "& on the attitude, you message them in my opinion" was not in regards to you as a person - was a statement in general.

Before hiring anyone in particular I believe these are the types of things you should discuss with them. Nonetheless, I agree with you that a few messages every 48 hours should not be something too hard to do.

 

[adamawesome135]

Some developers could just not enjoy getting notifications whilst developing and therefore disable them as opposed to ignoring your messages on purpose. Also, I've just read through the previous conversations and I'd like to state that "& on the attitude, you message them in my opinion" was not in regards to you as a person - was a statement in general.

Before hiring anyone in particular I believe these are the types of things you should discuss with them. Nonetheless, I agree with you that a few messages every 48 hours should not be something too hard to do.

Let me mention they sent messages in other discords so surely it was ignoring as well as I was being professional with my messages just very unacceptable.