Implement a rule that prohibits making jokes that violate the TOS/pre-existing rules

[Sloth]

Title says it all, implement a new rule that will make it to where those who make jokes that violate any existing rules and regulations in the TOS will be punished accordingly.

A great example of this is making jokes about scamming. It's not funny. Don't do it.

 

[Sloth]

NO

Thank you for the constructive criticism.

 

[Landon]

I don't believe we should make it prohibited to discuss anything that violates the rules (scamming, ban evading, whatever). Only keep it punishable if it encourages or promotes the act of violating a pre-defined rule or clause in the Terms of Service.

"haha, wow Mick scammed me" - This is not promoting scamming. It is a statement, not a call to action.
"guys, let's all scam tomorrow" - This is promoting scamming. It is a call to action.[DOUBLEPOST=1555558875][/DOUBLEPOST]I see Kram agreed to this, let me make it clear on why this rule would ruin MC-Market’s speech platform.

1.7 Do not impersonate another member, person, or company, or otherwise misrepresent yourself.

“Hey guys, I have an impersonator, please confirm on-site” would be mentioning a user impersonating you, which violates rule 1.7, and would therefore, be prohibited to say.

This is just one of many flaws in this rule being added.

Since a Staff Member has agreed, we need to ensure we make it clear on why this won’t work, as good chance it’ll be discussed privately in staff chats and vouched for as a good addition to the rules.

 

[Kram]

I don't believe we should make it prohibited to discuss anything that violates the rules (scamming, ban evading, whatever). Only keep it punishable if it encourages or promotes the act of violating a pre-defined rule or clause in the Terms of Service.

"haha, wow Mick scammed me" - This is not promoting scamming. It is a statement, not a call to action.
"guys, let's all scam tomorrow" - This is promoting scamming. It is a call to action.[DOUBLEPOST=1555558875][/DOUBLEPOST]I see Kram agreed to this, let me make it clear on why this rule would ruin MC-Market’s speech platform.

1.7 Do not impersonate another member, person, or company, or otherwise misrepresent yourself.

“Hey guys, I have an impersonator, please confirm on-site” would be mentioning a user impersonating you, which violates rule 1.7, and would therefore, be prohibited to say.

This is just one of many flaws in this rule being added.

Since a Staff Member has agreed, we need to ensure we make it clear on why this won’t work, as good chance it’ll be discussed privately in staff chats and vouched for as a good addition to the rules.

Joking is not the same as discussing. You aren't making impersonation seem like a small thing by saying you have an impersonator, all you are doing is informing others to be careful and cautious about people that look like you.
Joking about scamming, like what was stated in the thread, makes the topic of scamming seem smaller than it is and not as serious as it should be taken. I consider joking about scamming to only promote it but since some people are not able to see how it is promoting scamming, adding a rule that says you can not joke about things that violate the rules or terms of service will prevent it from happening.
"haha, wow Mick scammed me" really shouldn't be said, I don't see how it is funny.

Rules are there to keep members safe, joking about the rules and breaking the rules isn't something that should be done and since people don't find it to be breaking 1.1 even though I believe it is encouraging it, I think a sub-rule of 1.1 adding that joking counts as promoting would only help.

Your interpretation of this is that all discussion of the rules and TOS is not allowed or even mentioning things that break it. That isn't the point. It is preventing people to joke about it.
Examples would be:
"I'm gonna exit scam for a $1"
"haha get impersonated"
"you should scam me hahah"
Those are all things that make serious problems look like a joke and shouldn't be allowed.
Things that the rule wouldn't apply to would be
"I'm being impersonated please deal with me on-site and not on discord"
"This person seems to have scammed since he isn't replying to the scam report"
These examples aren't joking about anything, they are informing and trying to protect members of the site, something that making jokes about the same topics does not.

It doesn't hurt the speech platform because it isn't that hard to not joke about these things.

 

[Kram]

So if i say "That school shooting video was lit" am i promoting school shooting videos? Nope

I disagree. You are promoting that type of videos.
School shooting jokes and ones related aren't in good taste either.

 

[Maddys Son]

i got suspended for joking about scamming, there already is one.

 

[Landon]

i got suspended for joking about scamming, there already is one.

It isn’t a rule, it’s just the rule regarding promoting/encouraging is being stretched out on an individual basis.[DOUBLEPOST=1555588628][/DOUBLEPOST]

Joking is not the same as discussing. You aren't making impersonation seem like a small thing by saying you have an impersonator, all you are doing is informing others to be careful and cautious about people that look like you.
Joking about scamming, like what was stated in the thread, makes the topic of scamming seem smaller than it is and not as serious as it should be taken. I consider joking about scamming to only promote it but since some people are not able to see how it is promoting scamming, adding a rule that says you can not joke about things that violate the rules or terms of service will prevent it from happening.
"haha, wow Mick scammed me" really shouldn't be said, I don't see how it is funny.

Rules are there to keep members safe, joking about the rules and breaking the rules isn't something that should be done and since people don't find it to be breaking 1.1 even though I believe it is encouraging it, I think a sub-rule of 1.1 adding that joking counts as promoting would only help.

Your interpretation of this is that all discussion of the rules and TOS is not allowed or even mentioning things that break it. That isn't the point. It is preventing people to joke about it.
Examples would be:
"I'm gonna exit scam for a $1"
"haha get impersonated"
"you should scam me hahah"
Those are all things that make serious problems look like a joke and shouldn't be allowed.
Things that the rule wouldn't apply to would be
"I'm being impersonated please deal with me on-site and not on discord"
"This person seems to have scammed since he isn't replying to the scam report"
These examples aren't joking about anything, they are informing and trying to protect members of the site, something that making jokes about the same topics does not.

It doesn't hurt the speech platform because it isn't that hard to not joke about these things.

“Your interpretation of this is that all discussion of the rules and TOS is not allowed or even mentioning things that break it. That isn't the point. It is preventing people to joke about it.
Examples would be:
"I'm gonna exit scam for a $1"
"haha get impersonated"
"you should scam me hahah"”

Your first and last example are both call to actions regarding the promotion / encouragement, and are already prohibited. I don’t see anything wrong with your second example, it’s not inciting others to impersonate.

I get your stance that people could see it as promoting it, and making scamming/impersonation seem ‘allowed’, but I believe that is blowing jokes out of proportion. No one will see that message and think “Ah perfect, I can impersonate because someone in shoutbox said so” and instantly create a secondary Discord account and start impersonating.

 

[Lee]

Title says it all, implement a new rule that will make it to where those who make jokes that violate any existing rules and regulations in the TOS will be punished accordingly.

A great example of this is making jokes about scamming. It's not funny. Don't do it.

I'll scam this message off you!

 

[Sloth]

How am i promoting a school video when i say "that school shooting video was lit"?
Do i have a fanbase or something that could react and make More videos related to that just for "pLeAsuRe"?

No, it's 2019. We dont have Power over the people

I think saying a video depicting a school shooting is lit just in general is going to convince a few people to potentially go watch it. One thing you have to remember is that children do use this site and they are very curious and will watch just about anything.

 

[Landon]

I think saying a video depicting a school shooting is lit just in general is going to convince a few people to potentially go watch it. One thing you have to remember is that children do use this site and they are very curious and will watch just about anything.

If someone ****** ** a school (not tryna get warned here) because they watched a YouTube video, you can’t hold the uploader or sharer liable for that. People make their own conscious decisions, and I just can’t agree with you or Kram’s stance that “jokes can incite people to do it”.

 

[Sloth]

If someone ****** ** a school (not tryna get warned here) because they watched a YouTube video, you can’t hold the uploader or sharer liable for that. People make their own conscious decisions, and I just can’t agree with you or Kram’s stance that “jokes can incite people to do it”.

Actually people can be held accountable for uploading such things. Hell look at what New Zealand and what they did to people who had access to the video. They were thrown in jail. Another great example is Article 13, which holds companies responsible for what gets posted on their platforms. The truth is that jokes about scamming, impersonating, and even school shooting or shooting in general don't have a place on this site and Mc-Market has every right to limit these jokes.

 

[Landon]

Actually people can be held accountable for uploading such things. Hell look at what New Zealand and what they did to people who had access to the video. They were thrown in jail. Another great example is Article 13, which holds companies responsible for what gets posted on their platforms. The truth is that jokes about scamming, impersonating, and even school shooting or shooting in general don't have a place on this site and Mc-Market has every right to limit these jokes.

You can be held accountable for uploading actual footage of shootings, yes? Pumped Up Kicks is about school shootings, with 525,000,000 views, and I don’t see 525,000,000 shootings or even attempts. I don’t want to be on the topic of shootings, so I’ll switch it back to scamming. They apply the same. Just because something mentions scamming or impersonating, doesn’t mean it’ll happen. Jokes don’t cause people to do actions, call to actions do.

“Mick scammed!!!!!!” is obviously a joke, but not a call to action. Should I be punished?

If someone scams because of that comment, it’s their own conscious decision (and frankly, I disagree that a joke about scamming, impersonating, whatever will make someone do it) Call to actions result in actions, not jokes.

We disagree on jokes resulting in actions. I believe your ideology is flawed, and this suggestion is more flawed.

 

[Sloth]

You can be held accountable for uploading actual footage of shootings, yes? Pumped Up Kicks is about school shootings, with 525,000,000 views, and I don’t see 525,000,000 shootings or even attempts. I don’t want to be on the topic of shootings, so I’ll switch it back to scamming. They apply the same. Just because something mentions scamming or impersonating, doesn’t mean it’ll happen. Jokes don’t cause people to do actions, call to actions do.

“Mick scammed!!!!!!” is obviously a joke, but not a call to action. Should I be punished?

If someone scams because of that comment, it’s their own conscious decision (and frankly, I disagree that a joke about scamming, impersonating, whatever will make someone do it) Call to actions result in actions, not jokes.

We disagree on jokes resulting in actions. I believe your ideology is flawed, and this suggestion is more flawed.

See I agree and understand that not everyone is going to just jump up and immediately start scamming when a joke is made, but it's definitely a possibility that a user could take a joke and see it as a call to action. It's all about perspective. Another part to this is that making a joke about a user scamming could be taken out of context by newer users and hell even older users. If someone were to be going around making jokes that I was scamming people, I'm not going to laugh. It makes whoever you're making the joke on look bad. Like you said, people make their own conscious decisions and with that they can make the decision to scam if they believe it's not bad.

 

[Ambrosia]

I'm about to shank you with my unregistered butterknife.

 

[User]

Joking is not the same as discussing. You aren't making impersonation seem like a small thing by saying you have an impersonator, all you are doing is informing others to be careful and cautious about people that look like you.
Joking about scamming, like what was stated in the thread, makes the topic of scamming seem smaller than it is and not as serious as it should be taken. I consider joking about scamming to only promote it but since some people are not able to see how it is promoting scamming, adding a rule that says you can not joke about things that violate the rules or terms of service will prevent it from happening.
"haha, wow Mick scammed me" really shouldn't be said, I don't see how it is funny.

Rules are there to keep members safe, joking about the rules and breaking the rules isn't something that should be done and since people don't find it to be breaking 1.1 even though I believe it is encouraging it, I think a sub-rule of 1.1 adding that joking counts as promoting would only help.

Your interpretation of this is that all discussion of the rules and TOS is not allowed or even mentioning things that break it. That isn't the point. It is preventing people to joke about it.
Examples would be:
"I'm gonna exit scam for a $1"
"haha get impersonated"
"you should scam me hahah"
Those are all things that make serious problems look like a joke and shouldn't be allowed.
Things that the rule wouldn't apply to would be
"I'm being impersonated please deal with me on-site and not on discord"
"This person seems to have scammed since he isn't replying to the scam report"
These examples aren't joking about anything, they are informing and trying to protect members of the site, something that making jokes about the same topics does not.

It doesn't hurt the speech platform because it isn't that hard to not joke about these things.

dude, this is a minecraft forum, if the people here couldn't joke they'd all quit because when they aren't selling something, they're having banter[DOUBLEPOST=1555606431][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm about to shank you with my unregistered butterknife.

UNREGISTERED BUTTERCAM 3

 

[Kram]

dude, this is a minecraft forum, if the people here couldn't joke they'd all quit because when they aren't selling something, they're having banter[DOUBLEPOST=1555606431][/DOUBLEPOST]
UNREGISTERED BUTTERCAM 3

That might be the case but there’s a lot more jokes that can be made that are in better tastes than ones about impersonating, scamming, or illegal activities.