increase warning points for slandering

[Exelt]

Changing thread

Slandering users should be taken much more seriously, and the warning points should be increased accordingly.

For anyone who commented about the scam reports, I agree it may have been excessive and perhaps 2 much work for the current staff of MCM, aka not enough workforce to enforce all of this.

 

[Exelt]

I'm struggling to understand how it'll fit into the scamming category, can't you just leave a negative reputation for slander?

Let me explain how,
Let's say you have a small business here right? Someone with 20+ rep comments on your thread, careful suspicious user perhaps a scammer while they have 0 proof. What do you think the impact of this will be for your sales? People on MCM are scared due to constant scams. That's a fact. They will back off from deals and simply the person in question will lose their sales. It's how it works. They should be entitled for a certain % back according to the sales they might've lost. It's only fair by all means.

 

[Norska]

Report them instead, opening a scam report doesn't make much sense and it's a much slower procedure.

 

[Exelt]

Report them instead, opening a scam report doesn't make much sense and it's a much slower procedure.

I agree it is, but what happens to the revenue lost by the user? Most people do not delete their threads or a lot of time is taken until they are removed making the damage un-repairable by all means.

Either make a scam report page, or make slandering a much more serious offence.

 

[Matty]

Scam reports should be also allowed for people who go out of their way to slander threads with 0 to no proof in order to ruin a persons chance of selling. Think of it as lost revenue. IF a firm happens to have some random guy with influence on a platform and they post, they lose sales. It's a simple yet effective concept of stopping people from doing this on this forum and continuing to ruin sales for 0 to no reason.

If the user who posted random stuff on a thread with 0 proof has nothing to base off his claims by, the OP(original creator of post) should be allowed to create a scam report to earn a portion of the money he/she could potentially lose. By no means do I mean critisism or other things of the short. But things such as "TWO PEOPLE ARE SELLING THIS SERVER ITS A SCAM" TYPE SCENARIO WITH no proof is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

If you're talking in regards to the situation that occurred earlier then I sincerely apologize. Wasn't trying to slander or ruin his reputation in any way, was simply asking for an explanation to what his staff member said.

 

[Exelt]

If you're talking in regards to the situation that occurred earlier then I sincerely apologize. Wasn't trying to slander or ruin his reputation in any way, was simply asking for an explanation to what his staff member said.

I am mostly mad at general since I've seen this happen more than 50 times in the 4 months I've been back on mcm. I'm fine and thank you for apologizing. But the damage was still done from another user I won't point out names.

 

[inferno]

Let me explain how,
Let's say you have a small business here right? Someone with 20+ rep comments on your thread, careful suspicious user perhaps a scammer while they have 0 proof. What do you think the impact of this will be for your sales? People on MCM are scared due to constant scams. That's a fact. They will back off from deals and simply the person in question will lose their sales. It's how it works. They should be entitled for a certain % back according to the sales they might've lost. It's only fair by all means.

report, they get warning points, put up a rep. There's no scamming being done lol

 

[Exelt]

report, they get warning points, put up a rep. There's no scamming being done lol

It's loss of revenue regardless. In real life slandering can be taken to court which in turn results into a fine. Same goes for scamming. Here however there are 0 consequences. Warning points? Sure by all means. However, make it a more severe offence.

i just ruined someones chance of a business deal. Let me just get 6 warning points and hop away like nothing happened waiting for them to expire.

 

[Cade]

Last thing we need here is more scam reports.

 

[Exelt]

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Last thing we need here is more scam reports.

There's already barely any compared to the past where we would have 5-7 pages of active reports. If I'm mistaken feel free to correct me! Plus please read the whole thread, thank you.

 

[Cade]

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There's already barely any compared to the past where we would have 5-7 pages of active reports. If I'm mistaken feel free to correct me! Plus please read the whole thread, thank you.

I did read the whole thread. First, we don't need more scam reports for people who have POTENTIALLY lost money when people have ALREADY lost their money. Second, how are you going to prove that someone's post lost you money? You're not going to. Neg rep them, ask them to remove the post, etc. and move on, not create a scam report for potential loss of money.

 

[Exelt]

I did read the whole thread. First, we don't need more scam reports for people who have POTENTIALLY lost money when people have ALREADY lost their money. Second, how are you going to prove that someone's post lost you money? You're not going to. Neg rep them, ask them to remove the post, etc. and move on, not create a scam report for potential loss of money.

As I said it can either be a scam report or more severe warning points.[DOUBLEPOST=1612729329][/DOUBLEPOST]

As I said it can either be a scam report or more severe warning points.

Anyways, I've changed it since no one reads the second part.

 

[Cade]

As I said it can either be a scam report or more severe warning points.

Should probably edit the whole post to make it based on warning points only

 

[inferno]

It's loss of revenue regardless. In real life slandering can be taken to court which in turn results into a fine. Same goes for scamming. Here however there are 0 consequences. Warning points? Sure by all means. However, make it a more severe offence.

i just ruined someones chance of a business deal. Let me just get 6 warning points and hop away like nothing happened waiting for them to expire.

so if someone does slander you, just take them to court.

 

[Exelt]

so if someone does slander you, just take them to court.

How are you able to get their identity on mcm? Unless you are suggesting you do it by means which are against MCM TOS?
It's not 100% the same thus why I mentioned that it's barely enforced on here. The concept of slander however, is the same no matter what. Either be it online or offline. people are trying to run mini businesses here. MCM has strictly said they do not deal with court/law cases nor will reveal public information.

 

[Exelt]

O boy this gonna be a long one strap in.

Slander and whistle blowing are two very different things. There is not always going to be blatant black and white proof of them being a scammer or scamming. The situation with mare is great example of this. Imagine if the users who made threads and comments about that could have a SR opened on them.. No where is anyone making a deal with you. Your debate is on potential revenue. Unless God actually exists and you are god. You would have no idea what that number is or if that persons comment actually caused you to lose a customer. Let use and you as a example here. Lets say you heard "i scammed billy bob" And commented that on my exchange thread. I had around 5-6k in exchanges last week. Lets say you caused me to get none for this week. I open a SR on you claiming your "slander" cost me 5k in deals this week. Would you actually want to pay that? I took this to the extreme here to show you how ridiculous it sounds. Not only would this be incredibly easy to abuse to get next to anyone banned on the site. But its just not realistic. There are alot of scammers in this community, alot of just down right vile people. At no point should we be attempting silence users who are trying to do the right thing. Sometimes mistakes will happen. Private message person you should have no problem disputing "bullshit" with the truth. Or as others have suggested in this thread report the message and allow the staff members to deal with it. Now on the note of the scam report itself, There only catching up on them because there working there ass's off for the community. If we start piling stupid scam reports like the example above were going to go back to month long wait times and nobody here wants that. We dont need to be burn out SR's for stuff we can self solve or can be solved by other staff members. Personally i have called out many scammers on my time on this site off of gut feelings. And ive called multiple exit scams and been correct every time. If something like this ever happened id bite my tongue and stop doing so. On the note of warning points. Same logic as before punishing people harder trying to help the community isnt fair to anyone. I totally understand the frustration you have with the situations but this is not the answer to it.

I already changed the thread, excluding scam reports. I understand it was perhaps too much and off the roof.On the other hand, what do you think of the topic of increasing warning points?

 

[inferno]

How are you able to get their identity on mcm? Unless you are suggesting you do it by means which are against MCM TOS?
It's not 100% the same thus why I mentioned that it's barely enforced on here. The concept of slander however, is the same no matter what. Either be it online or offline. people are trying to run mini businesses here. MCM has strictly said they do not deal with court/law cases nor will reveal public information.

easy subpoena to mick and you've got what you need.

 

[Geek]

What point total would you propose slandering (which is just a 1.5 violation) be changed to?