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change the loan rules to make it so you can collect

original payment + payback amount + up to 50% of the payback amount in late fees.

For example:
$100 loan with a $150 payback


$100 + $50 + up to 50% of the payment in late fees.
 
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What's the current rule?
"MC-Market imposes that 50% the initial loan in aggregated fees and interest per annum be the maximum a lender can indebt the loanee in addition to the initial loan amount."

This means you can take out a $100 loan with a $50 payback making that already 50% of the loan and you can payback months late avoiding all late fees.
 

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change the loan rules to make it so you can collect

original payment + payback amount + up to 50% of the payback amount in late fees.
Would the payback amount not already include the original payment?

I'd be willing to support payback amount + up to 50% of original loan in late fees, but not the current suggestion.
 

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Would the payback amount not already include the original payment?

I'd be willing to support payback amount + up to 50% of original loan in late fees, but not the current suggestion.
That's how it's meant to be. For example on a $100 loan with a $150 payback it will be
$100 + $50 + up to 50% of payment in late fees
 

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That's how it's meant to be. For example on a $100 loan with a $150 payback it will be
$100 + $50 + up to 50% of payment in late fees
Gotcha. This I would support. I encourage you to include this example in your OP.
You agreed to the payback date, just like you would with a bank. Should you not payback that agreed upon amount by the agreed upon date you will be fined. Only difference is that a bank would fine you until your dead, we stop you at 50% of your initial loan.

Here is the quote from the wiki
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In order to protect the finances of our users from significant damages and debts of loanees from becoming unreasonable as a consequence of irresponsible agreements on our platform, MC-Market imposes that 50% the initial loan in aggregated fees and interest per annum be the maximum a lender can indebt the loanee in addition to the initial loan amount.
 

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I mean putting someone in more debt when they cleary can already not afford your loan is counter productive to you seeing a return on the money to begin with. People agree to things they believe they can do. But sometimes situations happen. I think changing it to allow higher you will just see more people "scam" unintentionally. On top of that is not pointless to change a rule on a section Mick already plans to delete?
loan sharking :)
 

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I think the 50% is pretty generous, if your loan time is 2 weeks, that means you get 1300% per year return on your money (for this I am not taking into account relining your interest or scams). Even coming as a former lender, I don't think asking for more interest then what is provided is reasonable (I just hope this section isn't eliminated completely).
 

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The amount we permitted was generously based on the legal limitations enforced by most 1st world countries and states within those countries.
Seeing as this is a community full of (with due respect) irresponsible children, the restrictions probably weren’t tight enough.

The suggestion thread to remove the loaning forum completely has already received a huge majority vote in agreement by the community.
The next change to the loaning forum will surely be its removal, not the lifting of our restrictions.
 

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The amount we permitted was generously based on the legal limitations enforced by most 1st world countries and states within those countries.
Seeing as this is a community full of (with due respect) irresponsible children, the restrictions probably weren’t tight enough.

The suggestion thread to remove the loaning forum completely has already received a huge majority vote in agreement by the community.
The next change to the loaning forum will surely be its removal, not the lifting of our restrictions.
People are still going to loan offsite, so you'll need some restrictions for scam reports. The restrictions need to be changed so you cannot take out a $10 loan with a $15 payback but because $15 is already 50%, so with current restrictions I can pay it back 3 months late without any penalty.
 

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The restrictions need to be changed so you cannot take out a $10 loan with a $15 payback but because $15 is already 50%, so with current restrictions I can pay it back 3 months late without any penalty.
That sounds like an issue of using up the entire allotted 50% on the initial payment and not allowing yourself any room to charge a late fee. If you want to charge a late fee to dissuade late payments, then don’t charge the maximum possible amount in direct interest. There’s no reason you need to do that. The motivation for doing that and then insisting you need more room for fees is motivated by nothing other than a desire to squeeze more money out of the people you’re loaning to. I’m not saying you’re wrong for your desire, but it’s necessary to point out that there is no other benefit to be had here.

Although, implementing your suggestion would put our policies in direct conflict with every single law that moderates loan charges in every single state in every single country on the planet. Why would MC-Market want to enforce blatantly illegal loaning practices?
 
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