Lower the Points given for Rule 5.4

[Maddy]

Rule 5.4 States:
5.4 Offering/Selling Item/Service Without Right: 20 | N/A

This rule gives 20 points, which I believe to be absolutely absurd for one rule. I believe this should be deducted to 3, 5 points; around that range.

This rule is pretty much covering the sale of Cracked Accounts, Gift cards, etc.. Although I won’t go into depth about my punishment.

 

[Will]

this should definitely not be 20 points, although it should still be high-ish. I would say 10 would be fine. +1

 

[Justis]

This rule is pretty much covering the sale of Cracked Accounts, Gift cards, etc..

This rule does cover that because selling cracked content is selling content that you’ve blatently stolen from someone else, which is immoral and illegal enough as it is. Moreover, depending on the content, there is the possibility of the true owner taking it back from the person you’ve illegitimately sold it off to, thus scamming them.
Even if it doesn’t get pulled back, you’re selling ownership of a product that you do not have ownership to. If you ask me, I consider that in itself to be scamming.

However, this rule covers any content which is offered on our platform without right.

For instance. Setups, plugins, artwork, websites, etc. For anyone familiar with skidding, this covers that.

We are a marketplace community, it is absolutely imperative that we can trust that other members will not turn around and sell the products they’ve stolen or obtained from our hard working members, or use pieces of it in their own products which they then sell without permission.
Without trust, a market doesn’t function. That is why the warning is so high, though it is low enough that you can still be issued the warning three times without being banned. If you need more than a second/third chance in order to learn your lesson on something as basic as this one, then you definitely don’t belong on this marketplace.

 

[Maddy]

This rule does cover that because selling cracked content is selling content that you’ve blatently stolen from someone else, which is immoral and illegal enough as it is. Moreover, depending on the content, there is the possibility of the true owner taking it back from the person you’ve illegitimately sold it off to, thus scamming them.
Even if it doesn’t get pulled back, you’re selling ownership of a product that you do not have ownership to. If you ask me, I consider that in itself to be scamming.

However, this rule covers any content which is offered on our platform without right.

For instance. Setups, plugins, artwork, websites, etc. For anyone familiar with skidding, this covers that.

We are a marketplace community, it is absolutely imperative that we can trust that other members will not turn around and sell the products they’ve stolen or obtained from our hard working members, or use pieces of it in their own products which they then sell without permission.
Without trust, a market doesn’t function. That is why the warning is so high, though it is low enough that you can still be issued the warning three times without being banned. If you need more than a second/third chance in order to learn your lesson on something as basic as this one, then you definitely don’t belong on this marketplace.

I’m confused. So you’re saying that it doesn’t apply to gift cards, etc.
If I can provide proof that I sent the seller money for the card and never “stole it”, do I get my warning removed?
Sorry I’m a little confused about this

 

[Justis]

I’m confused. So you’re saying that it doesn’t apply to gift cards, etc.
If I can provide proof that I sent the seller money for the card and never “stole it”, do I get my warning removed?
Sorry I’m a little confused about this

If you received a warning for selling gift cards, it’s because the gift cards that you sold were stolen from someone else.
Where did you obtain them from? I doubt you obtained them by purchasing through Netflix, otherwise you would have lost money by selling them for so much cheaper than you purchased. More than likely, you bought it from someone who has a brute force program, or something of the like, which generates random codes and tests them, when they succeed, they’re added to a database and then sold off.
In such a situation, not only is it theft from the original owner of the gift cards, but the original owner could still spend it at any point in time. While you are in possession of the code, or even after you’ve sold it to your buyer, and you’ve been paid.

 

[Lotus]

social engineering / company mistakes is not defined as = stolen. The NVidia Redeem bug was literally just changing a number on the code and it would work. There is no ORIGINAL OWNER.

Have this person confirm its not stolen prior to warning them.

That’s defined as exploitation. Social engineering is fraud.

You don’t hold the right to redistribute goods you don’t actually own. Exploiting a system unjustly does not make you the owner of an item if you are successful. That is practically theft.

 

[Justis]

social engineering / company mistakes is not defined as = stolen. The NVidia Redeem bug was literally just changing a number on the code and it would work. There is no ORIGINAL OWNER.

As Lotus has pointed out, social engineering is fraud, which is illegal, and also a violation of our TOS. No such acquired items may be sold here.

Have this person confirm its not stolen prior to warning them.

I’ve warned countless people for selling content like this, and none of them ever obtained the cards legitimately.
The probability of the cards not being in violation is so microscopic, it’s a better idea to remove the thread first and let the user appeal if they want to try and appeal, than to leave it public while waiting for a response from the user, where they’ll undoubtedly be unable to provide anything to prove ownership.

 

[Maddy]

If you received a warning for selling gift cards, it’s because the gift cards that you sold were stolen from someone else.
Where did you obtain them from? I doubt you obtained them by purchasing through Netflix, otherwise you would have lost money by selling them for so much cheaper than you purchased. More than likely, you bought it from someone who has a brute force program, or something of the like, which generates random codes and tests them, when they succeed, they’re added to a database and then sold off.
In such a situation, not only is it theft from the original owner of the gift cards, but the original owner could still spend it at any point in time. While you are in possession of the code, or even after you’ve sold it to your buyer, and you’ve been paid.

The seller sent me a receipt, which I sent over to the staff.

 

[Justis]

The seller sent me a receipt, which I sent over to the staff.

Feel free to add me to the conversation if you’d like a second opinion.

 

[Mick]

This rule does cover that because selling cracked content is selling content that you’ve blatently stolen from someone else, which is immoral and illegal enough as it is. Moreover, depending on the content, there is the possibility of the true owner taking it back from the person you’ve illegitimately sold it off to, thus scamming them.
Even if it doesn’t get pulled back, you’re selling ownership of a product that you do not have ownership to. If you ask me, I consider that in itself to be scamming.

However, this rule covers any content which is offered on our platform without right.

For instance. Setups, plugins, artwork, websites, etc. For anyone familiar with skidding, this covers that.

We are a marketplace community, it is absolutely imperative that we can trust that other members will not turn around and sell the products they’ve stolen or obtained from our hard working members, or use pieces of it in their own products which they then sell without permission.
Without trust, a market doesn’t function. That is why the warning is so high, though it is low enough that you can still be issued the warning three times without being banned. If you need more than a second/third chance in order to learn your lesson on something as basic as this one, then you definitely don’t belong on this marketplace.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.