MCM has placed a blanket over there own head for a year. (Rep System)
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Welcome to the FUCKED UP MCM REP SYSTEM 
Wish I could watch the video but no headphones.
Wish I could watch the video but no headphones.
literal morons are neg repping me because they call me "toxic" even if I was obviously joking. kinda sad tbh
edit: i made a thread a while ago, not sure when but I posted this in the suggestions section, it was a satire thread on having a drama section where people can just insult each other because the threads on scamming and drama we're really high. obviously, a lot people disagreed and said no to the idea. but a user named your (doesn't go by it anymore but his rep is still on my profile, it's the first one.) got so butthurt by it, that he neg repped me because he thought i was serious or he tried to paint me into this bad light and made it seem like that. I retaliated and neg repped back but I put some retarded reason but it got removed, j reported the rep and the response I got was "well you are responsible for how you act one the site" and blah blah blah, but you're going to not remove something to fucking stupid? at least have him edit it to where I said I made a joking thread or something.
also, I was "trashing" a thread on some kid selling a supreme sled. I got neg repped, posts were removed, but the kid started insulting me and calling me broke and poor. lol, I was obviously joking but I should get shit on?
seems like you have to suck everyone off to get good rep and if your opinion or belief is different someone, say goodbye to your rep.
edit: i made a thread a while ago, not sure when but I posted this in the suggestions section, it was a satire thread on having a drama section where people can just insult each other because the threads on scamming and drama we're really high. obviously, a lot people disagreed and said no to the idea. but a user named your (doesn't go by it anymore but his rep is still on my profile, it's the first one.) got so butthurt by it, that he neg repped me because he thought i was serious or he tried to paint me into this bad light and made it seem like that. I retaliated and neg repped back but I put some retarded reason but it got removed, j reported the rep and the response I got was "well you are responsible for how you act one the site" and blah blah blah, but you're going to not remove something to fucking stupid? at least have him edit it to where I said I made a joking thread or something.
also, I was "trashing" a thread on some kid selling a supreme sled. I got neg repped, posts were removed, but the kid started insulting me and calling me broke and poor. lol, I was obviously joking but I should get shit on?
seems like you have to suck everyone off to get good rep and if your opinion or belief is different someone, say goodbye to your rep.
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I strongly agree that the reputation system should be based on the service(s) provided rather than the user's experience with someone else. If I remember correctly, and as you mentioned in your video, the system was designed around that ideology at first and randomly people just started adding rep based on people's personality - after the rep system was removed and readded - till it was just accepted as a standard, which is complete bs. That's generally how I remember it as I didn't and still don't spend hours a day on mc-market like other users. Regardless, it's a shame that more people aren't openly arguing over the topic as the rep system is one of the few basis - or the closest thing - to trusting someone random on the internet apart from the vouches left on someone wall. I would consider the only solution is to revert back to the rep system based on transactions with proof of every transaction; if people want to do hundreds $1 deals so be it since it's not like anything prevents that from happening now as far as I am aware.
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This is really true, I am planning to open a small business on here but REP is a major key, if you have no +rep no one will trust or buy anything you, but if you have near 5+ minus rep no one will trust you. Its sad how much rep means now.
This site is filled with fucking kids. Put a rule for "You are not allowed to negative rep someone if you have never dealt with them" (or something along those lines) It really won't change anything. Kids will still think their opinion is important to put on to a seller's profile, Even if they haven't dealt with them.
I'm half asleep but I'll briefly explain
James is worried that his negative reputation will tarnish his ability to make deals on this business forum, it is because he believes they are completely false and undeserved. But the flawed reputation system makes it so that his false rep stays on with no repercussion.
lul James 1 if I got that wrong than neg rep me
But legit I 100% agree with you, I could say that the earth is flat and I'll get neg rep for my opinion/claim.
The world is not flat! Negged!I'm half asleep but I'll briefly explain
James is worried that his negative reputation will tarnish his ability to make deals on this business forum, it is because he believes they are completely false and undeserved. But the flawed reputation system makes it so that his false rep stays on with no repercussion.
lul James 1 if I got that wrong than neg rep me
But legit I 100% agree with you, I could say that the earth is flat and I'll get neg rep for my opinion/claim.
Yes, the rep system clearly needs to be fixed, glad someone pointed this out and I hope this thread gets more attention from the McM staff.
The reputation system is built on the principle of trust that the system will not be exploited, but when you gather a group of business minded individuals, you must expect the system will be played. The reputation system is loose currently, however the way the reputation system performs I find typically gives a meaningful picture of the user in question. In your case you have some reps that aren't in your favor yes, and the system as gone against you, however you are one of the outliers. There is no perfect system. Any system based on a yes or no will not end with perfection.
The reputation system is based around the principals of ease. It is much easier to look at a number and see 52 positive, 0 negative 0 neutral than it is to see a list of vouches and possibly and have to scroll around and read each individual one to weed out the bad from the good. Now there is a stigma on MC-Market against people with negative reputations which cannot easily be undone, however it ease is the system for the majority.
But at the end of the day, we need to look at the bottom line, profits. A newcomer to the forums that doesn't understand the forum can understand a green 50 and a red 10 much easier than a list of vouches, meaning they are more likely to stick around and more likely to buy products that grow the bottom line. MC-Market is a business and they will do what helps they're bottom line the most.
The reputation system is based around the principals of ease. It is much easier to look at a number and see 52 positive, 0 negative 0 neutral than it is to see a list of vouches and possibly and have to scroll around and read each individual one to weed out the bad from the good. Now there is a stigma on MC-Market against people with negative reputations which cannot easily be undone, however it ease is the system for the majority.
But at the end of the day, we need to look at the bottom line, profits. A newcomer to the forums that doesn't understand the forum can understand a green 50 and a red 10 much easier than a list of vouches, meaning they are more likely to stick around and more likely to buy products that grow the bottom line. MC-Market is a business and they will do what helps they're bottom line the most.
As mentioned somewhere above, the rep system was implemented for the purpose of providing reputation for deals and deals only. Heck, the addon itself is literally called 'trading system' (or at least since I last checked). Yes, it is fucked. No, the staff do not care.
I agree in the sense that yes, it was originally used for deals only - but no! A few people started repping for their opinions on users and even staff have been pretty much promoting this. If you have an opinion on a user but haven't done a deal, keep it to profile comments. If somebody is being toxic/whatever, there's this thing that not many people have the common sense to use. It's this button located on every user-generated content:
. No need to rep someone if you think they are toxic yet you haven't done a deal with them - just report it and it'll be dealt with by a member of the staff team if it violates the rules. For sure, if somebody being toxic disrupted the flow of a deal, then yes you could state that in your rep and make it neutral instead of pos/neg.
If the rep system was kept and maintained as deals only, users would have a distinctive way of determining whether or not a user is trustworthy. If you want to see how toxic/whatever somebody is, simply look at their recent posts and threads and make your own judgement.
People who joined literally months ago somehow have 100 reputation, all for either being a "nice guy" or doing < $1 deals with the obvious intention of getting rep from it. Don't get me wrong, if people have done a deal then they should be able to leave a rep but there are many new people here that have somehow gained a huge lump of reputation without trading anymore than $10 at a time.
Being able to ask for reputation (even if you don't mention pos/neut/neg etc) was the thing that broke the system even more. I've seen people PM 100s of people at a time for deals that date back years ago asking for rep. This was allowed because it didn't state 'would you mind leaving a positive reputation on my profile?', but rather it was just 'would you mind leaving a reputation on my profile?'. Apparently, that's allowed. Who would ask for a rep if you know you're going to get neut/neg. Let's be real here: you're only going to ask for a rep if the transaction/trade went well which would result in posrep. Why do people say things on their thread like 'keep vouches off my thread and to the reputation system'? Because they know that a vouch is 99% a posrep, but these users go unpunished because the staff on here fail to see this as a violation of rule 9.3.
Middlemanning and vouch copies also broke the rep system too. 9 times out of 10, all a middleman does is oversee the transaction, possibly verifying the account credentials work without doing stuff like proxying the paypal payment etc. How is this going to prevent people from scamming by means of pulling accounts back? It isn't. If you middlemanned, for example, 5 transactions a day, and each user in the transaction (2 per transaction, for simplicty) repped you, you'd have 10 rep per day for what is doing:
a) practically no deal whatsoever
b) not stopping scamming by chargebacks etc.
As mentioned at the start of the paragraph, vouch copies also broke the system. It's literally giving someone something for free. Then expecting a vouch back, most likely asking for rep in the process (see above about asking for reputation).
I tried to type out all my thoughts at once and ended up with this. It's messy and likely difficult to read, but those are my thoughts.
tl;dr: rep should've been kept deals only and asking for rep should be disallowed 100%.
I agree in the sense that yes, it was originally used for deals only - but no! A few people started repping for their opinions on users and even staff have been pretty much promoting this. If you have an opinion on a user but haven't done a deal, keep it to profile comments. If somebody is being toxic/whatever, there's this thing that not many people have the common sense to use. It's this button located on every user-generated content:
Here's what I think rep should look something along the lines of if it was deals only.
Positive rep = Deal went smoothly
Neutral rep = Deal went through ok but user was toxic throughout the deal etc
Negative rep = User scammed me <link to s/r>
Positive rep = Deal went smoothly
Neutral rep = Deal went through ok but user was toxic throughout the deal etc
Negative rep = User scammed me <link to s/r>
If the rep system was kept and maintained as deals only, users would have a distinctive way of determining whether or not a user is trustworthy. If you want to see how toxic/whatever somebody is, simply look at their recent posts and threads and make your own judgement.
People who joined literally months ago somehow have 100 reputation, all for either being a "nice guy" or doing < $1 deals with the obvious intention of getting rep from it. Don't get me wrong, if people have done a deal then they should be able to leave a rep but there are many new people here that have somehow gained a huge lump of reputation without trading anymore than $10 at a time.
Being able to ask for reputation (even if you don't mention pos/neut/neg etc) was the thing that broke the system even more. I've seen people PM 100s of people at a time for deals that date back years ago asking for rep. This was allowed because it didn't state 'would you mind leaving a positive reputation on my profile?', but rather it was just 'would you mind leaving a reputation on my profile?'. Apparently, that's allowed. Who would ask for a rep if you know you're going to get neut/neg. Let's be real here: you're only going to ask for a rep if the transaction/trade went well which would result in posrep. Why do people say things on their thread like 'keep vouches off my thread and to the reputation system'? Because they know that a vouch is 99% a posrep, but these users go unpunished because the staff on here fail to see this as a violation of rule 9.3.
Middlemanning and vouch copies also broke the rep system too. 9 times out of 10, all a middleman does is oversee the transaction, possibly verifying the account credentials work without doing stuff like proxying the paypal payment etc. How is this going to prevent people from scamming by means of pulling accounts back? It isn't. If you middlemanned, for example, 5 transactions a day, and each user in the transaction (2 per transaction, for simplicty) repped you, you'd have 10 rep per day for what is doing:
a) practically no deal whatsoever
b) not stopping scamming by chargebacks etc.
As mentioned at the start of the paragraph, vouch copies also broke the system. It's literally giving someone something for free. Then expecting a vouch back, most likely asking for rep in the process (see above about asking for reputation).
I tried to type out all my thoughts at once and ended up with this. It's messy and likely difficult to read, but those are my thoughts.
tl;dr: rep should've been kept deals only and asking for rep should be disallowed 100%.
I've never seen someone so stressed out over negative opinions left by random people on a forum.
Honestly the most you can do is report it and if it's denied is just move on. Children will be children and there's nothing anyone can do about that. If anyone has a brain they would look into the negative reputation you have, see who it's left by and move on and continue the deal.
Honestly the most you can do is report it and if it's denied is just move on. Children will be children and there's nothing anyone can do about that. If anyone has a brain they would look into the negative reputation you have, see who it's left by and move on and continue the deal.
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