News and Updates (March 13, 2016)

[tjrgg]

Hello folks,

As you have probably noticed, we’ve made a few changes around here. The purpose of this announcement is to inform you of those changes.


The resources systems has been updated.
The Resources section has changed slightly. We recently fixed up the issue prevents members from adding prices to their resources. Premium and Supreme members can now add prices to their resources again. In addition, resource authors may now add terms and conditions that a member must accept when purchasing their resource.


We’ve added a TeamSpeak integration.
You may or may not have noticed this one. We have a brand new TeamSpeak server that is now integrated with MC-Market website. Members can now link their TeamSpeak identities to their MC-Market account to automatically be given access to the server. If you are an upgraded member, you’ll get access to the appropriate channels automatically as well.


New features added to conversations!
We all know you guys like new stuff. Who doesn’t like new stuff? This round, we’ve added a few features to conversations. We’ve even added a few things just for members who’ve upgraded to Premium and/or Supreme!

All members now have the ability to “Like” conversation messages. You can use this feature however you’d like with other members. You can use it in a group message to indicate you have seen the message or you can show appreciation for the message.

For Premium members, we’ve added these perks:

• The ability to set an auto-response message during a set time period; and
• The ability to kick members from a conversation you started;

For Supreme members, we’ve added the perks listed above, as well as these perks:

• The ability to set a prefix for your conversation;
• The ability to create filters so that you don’t receive conversations you don’t want; and
• The ability to create conversation participant groups.

Let us know what you think about these new awesome features that we’ve added to conversations. All in a day’s work!


Ratings are now reactions!
Ratings are going away. But don’t freak out! It’s not what you think. All that’s happening is they are being replacing with ‘reactions’. So, it’s going to be the same as before, just with a different name. That’s not so bad, right?

The reason behind this change is that this is exactly how we see the system. Those little icons on each post are ways that you can react to a post. It makes sense to say that you are reacting to a post and not necessarily rating it. When you press the “Funny” icon, you are reacting to the post, not rating it, right? Hence, the change to “reactions”.

With this change, we’ve added a “Disagree” reaction to the list. You should see this new icon everywhere you can react to a post.


Wiki is now a place for articles and tutorials!
We’re opening up the wiki! You read that right. We’re retiring the old “Member Tutorials” forum and moving tutorials and articles to the wiki. This is to allow other members to collaborate on these articles and tutorials and to provide valuable content and resources to our members.

Various articles and tutorials can be written in the wiki. As long as there is good quality content in the wiki, feel free to write about anything you think would be a valuable resource to other members on MC-Market.

Of course, we have established some rules relating to the wiki and it will be closely monitored. Wiki-related rules are listed in section 8 of the Community Guidelines.

Any member that has upgraded their account to Premium or Supreme may edit articles in the wiki. Only Supreme members may add an article to the wiki at this time. We may change this in the future.


Minecraft accounts are no longer allowed.
Most of you already know about this, but just to reiterate, we’ve recently updated the rules to disallow the sale of Minecraft accounts of any kind on MC-Market. This decision was reached based on the issues the sale of accounts has caused and the support from community members when we suggested it (http://www.mc-market.org/threads/81435/).

What this means is that you may not offer to buy, sell, trade, or giveaway a Minecraft account of any form on MC-Market. Doing so will result in punishment going forward. This became effective on March 2, 2016.

Just to clarify, we will not handle any scam reports concerning Minecraft accounts going forward.


Our team is always changing!
Since our last update, Coco, Doge and Jack have been promoted to Moderator and Myiume rejoined the team as a Resource Moderator. morganjp has also rejoined the team, but as a Chat Moderator.

Sadly, Ajdin decided to resign from the Administrator position. He will be missed. However, he’ll still be doing system administration work for us from time to time.


Just a few rule updates...
To accommodate some of the changes, we've modified the rules accordingly. We took the opportunity to update some existing rules as well.

The most important rule change to make note of are that advertising is no longer allowed in the chatbox. The chatbox may only be used for live conversation with other members, not for advertising your product or service. That should be done via a thread in the forums. Also noteworthy are the wiki rules, which will be modified as needed.


I think that about sums up all the changes up until today. If you have any questions about any of these changes, feel free to ask them in a reply to this thread and I will answer them as soon as I can.

That's all for now.

 

[nara~kavi]

This also goes to show that people care too deeply. It doesn't matter how many reactions you have. Personally, I could care less if a user has 1 reaction or 1,000. They are literally meaningless.[DOUBLEPOST=1457895291,1457895191][/DOUBLEPOST]
I didn't say they were superior. We changed them for that exact reason, actually. We don't want them to be superior at all. Ideally, people wouldn't give a rats ass about reactions to their post and would only laugh at the number of reactions they have. But...this isn't an ideal world, so we'll see...

If they are 'literally meaningless' then leave them alone.

The fuck is wrong with you?

 

[Ostler]

This also goes to show that people care too deeply. It doesn't matter how many reactions you have. Personally, I could care less if a user has 1 reaction or 1,000. They are literally meaningless.

They can show many things, and if you can't see, you should look harder. It shows a lot about how a user is active, how they act in certain situations, and how easy they are to work with. The whole point is to find someone easy to work with but trust worthy at the same time, unfortunately, the 'disagree' button is giving people a terrible reputation for those that are serious.

 

[ajthemacboy]

They can show many things, and if you can't see, you should look harder. It shows a lot about how a user is active, how they act in certain situations, and how easy they are to work with. The whole point is to find someone easy to work with but trust worthy at the same time, unfortunately, the 'disagree' button is giving people a terrible reputation for those that are serious.

When I first joined I thought that people judging ratings was a bad thing, but as I got more and more and became more active here, I realized they were great. I can quickly some up whether people like someone or think they're a noob.

What's wrong with that?!

Edit: also, if a user has like 2000 posts and 100 ratings, it tells me quickly that they post a whole lot but nothing really important.

 

[tjrgg]

Please stop calling them reactions. You can't just randomly one day change the name of something that has been called ratings since day one of this forum and that is called ratings on literally almost every other board out there. You are attempting to discredit ratings because of your personal vendetta against them but you've yet to give a genuine reason as to why ratings are bad. I have debated people about this several times on this website and thus far nobody has given anywhere near a convincing argument as to why the current rating system should be altered or removed. People consistently bring up the fact that "ratings shouldn't matter" but they do matter, because people like to have a reward system and having ratings encourages quality posting. People work hard to *earn* ratings, and this creates a positive atmosphere on the website where people want to post more in order to increase their rating count. Encouraging posting, and specifically QUALITY posting, is a good thing, and this system really does do that. If people feel like all of the ratings that they have worked hard to obtain on this forum over the course of a year+ are being subjected to a random and arbitrary removal based on the whims of some random moderator who apparently now runs the website they will get pissed off and leave. How many quality members have you guys already driven away over the past few months? DarkOne, Super, Style, bigbubba, and more. How many more quality members do you want to continue driving away based on your stupid and useless alterations to a system that DOES already work?
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Please, explain to me your reasoning for ruining a system that people obviously do care about. Just because *you* personally don't give a shit about it doesn't mean that nobody else does, and honestly speaking the system does far more good than bad. Generally speaking, people with over 1000 ratings do not scam and there is statistical evidence of this.

If ratings are something that people should not be worried about, then why did you change them?

Just leave it alone Rocket. Jesus Christ.

And you totally ignored my points about the advertising part of your changes.

I didn't ignore those points. They just aren't what I'm trying to address right now.

As for the reactions thing, I didn't come up with the idea. Like I said, I could care less about ratings/reactions whatever, so I generally don't think of ideas relating to them. However, someone brought up the idea of reactions and I'm like "sounds good". That's how little I care about them.

If members are going to leave because they don't like "reactions", so be it. We can't make everyone happy and everyone is fully entitled to leave on their own accord.

The reason they were changed is as I already stated. Members were relying way too much on ratings as a reputation system, which is not what we intended, nor do we have in mind for the future.

 

[montyburly]

This is exactly what I mean. Why the fuss about stupid reactions on a forum post? We certainly aren't going to please everyone and we aren't here to please everyone. I mean, it was basically a simple word change and everyone is up and arms about it. I say we've got a lot bigger problems than something as simple as people not liking "reactions", if people really care that deeply about their precious ratings/reactions.

Every single reaction is meaningless. They are neither positive nor negative. They are just a reaction and mean nothing. You simply have a count that shows how many reactions people have made on your posts. It's sad to see that so many people care about some number that means absolutely nothing.

This makes absolutely no sense. If you've got a lot bigger problems than the rating system then why did you go and change it instead of taking care of those "bigger problems"? You can see that the majority of people hate this new system. Why don't you care about that? we're the members of this site. We keep it running by being active on it. It makes 0 sense for you to want to drive us away.

And don't even say every rating is meaningless, because they aren't. Nara and I have gone over this countless times. Ratings do determine trustworthiness, whether you like it or not. It is a statistical fact that members with less ratings and less seniority scam more often than higher rated members. It's simple logic that someone who is active and accumulates lots of ratings on this site will care more about what they have to lose than someone who's put no effort into the site. That is why ratings do count as reputation.

I have spent almost a year building up my ratings, as have many other reputable members on this site. You can't just suddenly remove all meaning to those on a whim. If you don't care about ratings on a Minecraft forum site, congrats. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. There are lots of people, including myself, that make hundreds of dollars a month on this site and that is due to our high reputation. The 2,000+ ratings I've accumulated through transactions and activity on this site is something I am proud of. They show that I am an active member on this forum, and as such can be trusted not to scam.

You can't just decide in a day that ratings don't matter and change them into a joke. That's not right.

What ever happened to this? What happened to you wanting to be more transparent and open to the community? Was there ever even a mention that all these changes would be happening? Did you ever bother to ask us, the community, if we wanted this? No, you didn't. And now you can see that we don't want this. There are tons of people opposing you. Why don't you give a shit about that? We are the ones who use this site to conduct business. As far as I know, you don't. These changes directly affect us and if we don't like them why don't you assist us and change them back to the way we do like them. This is how you destroy a community and drive people away from your site.

 

[ajthemacboy]

I didn't ignore those points. They just aren't what I'm trying to address right now.

As for the reactions thing, I didn't come up with the idea. Like I said, I could care less about ratings/reactions whatever, so I generally don't think of ideas relating to them. However, someone brought up the idea of reactions and I'm like "sounds good". That's how little I care about them.

If members are going to leave because they don't like "reactions", so be it. We can't make everyone happy and everyone is fully entitled to leave on their own accord.

The reason they were changed is as I already stated. Members were relying way too much on ratings as a reputation system, which is not what we intended, nor do we have in mind for the future.

If you don't care, and 75%+ of the people here don't like them, why can't you just revert them back?

 

[nara~kavi]

I didn't ignore those points. They just aren't what I'm trying to address right now.

As for the reactions thing, I didn't come up with the idea. Like I said, I could care less about ratings/reactions whatever, so I generally don't think of ideas relating to them. However, someone brought up the idea of reactions and I'm like "sounds good". That's how little I care about them.

If members are going to leave because they don't like "reactions", so be it. We can't make everyone happy and everyone is fully entitled to leave on their own accord.

The reason they were changed is as I already stated. Members were relying way too much on ratings as a reputation system, which is not what we intended, nor do we have in mind for the future.

lol why do you think that it is a good idea to totally randomly and arbitrarily change huge things on the website based off of "SOUNDS GOOD".

How does this sound like a proper method of running a website? Please resign immediately. You have lost all of my respect and it is clear that you have no idea how to be an administrator.

At this point I think you are just being too lazy to go and revert your retarded changes. It's clear that nobody agrees with them and your moronic attempts at changing systems that work perfectly well.

 

[Satan]

The only way any reaction is abused is if people use reactions as reputation still. The point is ratings is gone, therefore using it as a reputation system should not be encouraged/STOPPED!

Lets move to more of a system with legitimate vouches on people's threads, and consistencies in recent deals.

 

[nara~kavi]

All of you need to chill out. Fuck sake it's been added for what half a day? Why the hell can't you just give something some time to grow on you and THEN if you truly feel it's bad sure bitch and moan all you want but not once the damn thing gets added.

Because Rocket just literally admitted that he made the change on a whim and that he doesn't give a shit about it. Someone like that should not be an administrator.

I am sick and tired of staff ruining this website and driving it into the ground. How many quality members have we lost since Mick took over and made all these sweeping changes? This site has been in a downward spiral since unmigrated accounts were banned and this is just the latest in a series of stupid and completely moronic changes that will only serve to drive more and more people away.

And it honestly doesn't take more than five minutes of thinking to realize that these changes are bad ideas. But that five minutes is more than Rocket is apparently willing to invest because by his own words, he "doesn't care".

 

[Satan]

Not on peoples thread but their profile, that way they can't get deleted with the thread and anyone can see them at any time.

I would like a thread dedicated to vouches, but people say its too "detailed" and no one wants to waste that kind of time to vouch for someone explaining their "efficiency, pricing, and overall cooperation" etc.

Rather than profile posts since apparently people vouch for no apparent reason with no business deal (look on my profile lol I have a guy who tried)[DOUBLEPOST=1457896383][/DOUBLEPOST]

Because Rocket just literally admitted that he made the change on a whim and that he doesn't give a shit about it. Someone like that should not be an administrator.

I am sick and tired of staff ruining this website and driving it into the ground. How many quality members have we lost since Mick took over and made all these sweeping changes? This site has been in a downward spiral since unmigrated accounts were banned and this is just the latest in a series of stupid and completely moronic changes that will only serve to drive more and more people away.

And it honestly doesn't take more than five minutes of thinking to realize that these changes are bad ideas. But that five minutes is more than Rocket is apparently willing to invest because by his own words, he "doesn't care".

An admin should have the power to take the place of an absent owner if need be, and experiment things out. else he's just a "mod" to go around and regulate people's shit posts/scam reports, etc. He's an admin for a reason, he's earned that title and trust and power.

 

[ajthemacboy]

I would like a thread dedicated to vouches, but people say its too "detailed" and no one wants to waste that kind of time to vouch for someone explaining their "efficiency, pricing, and overall cooperation" etc.

Rather than profile posts since apparently people vouch for no apparent reason with no business deal (look on my profile lol I have a guy who tried)[DOUBLEPOST=1457896383][/DOUBLEPOST]
An admin should have the power to take the place of an absent owner if need be, and experiment things out. else he's just a "mod" to go around and regulate people's shit posts/scam reports, etc. He's an admin for a reason, he's earned that title and trust and power.

He should still consider things before he does them. He practically admitted he just did it on a whim.

What he could have done is opened a vote thread to see what people think, like he's done with some other decisions.

 

[Renovix]

First of all - I offer my services for free, and I won't be leaving, so this doesn't really affect me that much. I basically can not scam.

Secondly, changes are changes. MCM changed, it will take a while to get used to and then people will regard it as normal. I definitely see the things that we could/should improve but in the end (as tjrgg said) it is a minecraft forum and it is for trading and sales. So if you aren't happy, then leave.

I don't like the changes at all - but they happened so deal w/ them. At the end of the day - we are here to buy, sell, and thats all.

 

[Uselessinspiration]

Everyone including myself just disagreeing comments on this thread lol.

 

[tjrgg]

Because Rocket just literally admitted that he made the change on a whim and that he doesn't give a shit about it. Someone like that should not be an administrator.

I am sick and tired of staff ruining this website and driving it into the ground. How many quality members have we lost since Mick took over and made all these sweeping changes? This site has been in a downward spiral since unmigrated accounts were banned and this is just the latest in a series of stupid and completely moronic changes that will only serve to drive more and more people away.

And it honestly doesn't take more than five minutes of thinking to realize that these changes are bad ideas. But that five minutes is more than Rocket is apparently willing to invest because by his own words, he "doesn't care".

You're taking it out of context and exaggerating what I said.

 

[Sloth]

So there's already 80 disagree's on this thread. It's been half a day and I don't think I've ever seen this many ratings towards a post. I think a lot of people don't like the reaction part of the update. It's pointless to rename a system we have had since the founding of this forum. Not to mention it needed no change. The ratings were not here for people to gain reputation. It was here to allow users to view other users and create assumptions on their personality. I have more agree ratings than anything so one could assume I'm an agreeable person.

 

[Sloth]

Everything is getting a lot of disagree ratings js and what stops people from looking at your reactions and coming to the same conclusion that you are an agreeable person? Nothing.

Well maybe everything is getting disagree ratings to show that this new feature can be abused.