Official Bidding System

[ZsZ]

Lots of times, someone bids on your thread (mostly account sales). However, when messaging the user, they always retract their bid. IF YOU MAKE A BID, FOLLOW THROUGH (now I understand we are all guilty of this, but hear me out).


Make the bidding system like the giveaway system. When you make a bid, it shows. If you don't follow through, warning points/bans. This also would display the current offer so that people won't have to scroll through the comments to make a bid. You can also retract the bid only if you give a 3 day notice prior to the retraction of your bid. The seller can also accept your bid at any time which makes you have to pay them.


Good idea or bad idea?

 

[User]

What if during the 3 day grace period of cancelling, the seller accepts the bid? Are you then stuck, being forced to buy it? Or is the owner's accepting of the bid invalid?

 

[Burdened]

What if during the 3 day grace period of cancelling, the seller accepts the bid? Are you then stuck, being forced to buy it? Or is the owner's accepting of the bid invalid?

the seller should not be able to accept a bid before the end of the auction, rather when it is near the end.

 

[User]

the seller should not be able to accept a bid before the end of the auction, rather when it is near the end.

And if the bid is retracted near the end?

 

[Burdened]

And if the bid is retracted near the end?

3 day grace period, if the auction is shorter than 3 days, a prompt should show up and then the grace period should be 2/3 - 1/2 of the time length it is (so if its a 2 day auction, there should only be a 1 day grace period) a bid cannot be retracted after the grace period, if the user fails to pay once they've won they will receive a warning etc.

 

[User]

3 day grace period, if the auction is shorter than 3 days, a prompt should show up and then the grace period should be 2/3 - 1/2 of the time length it is (so if its a 2 day auction, there should only be a 1 day grace period) a bid cannot be retracted after the grace period, if the user fails to pay once they've won they will receive a warning etc.

too much math for me to do, i'll just take your word for it that there won't be any problems

 

[Burdened]

bullshit, no one wants go through this long not needed process..

and warning points that could lead up to a long suspension or a ban because maybe you find a new account or you jusdt aren't interested anymore?

yea no

so what you're saying is that allowing time-wasters on the forums bid for something they might not even want in the end and allowing this to happen consistently is better than a slightly longer process (but can be facilitated through automation) that will uphold accountability and make bidders a lot more smarter and more critical when choosing to bid

 

[Burdened]

okay but there are a lot of accounts on the market. if you bid you like the account then, doesn't mean you need to like it later on.

ANYWAYS THIS WOULD COST A FORTUNE TO MAKE AND MC-MARKET/MICK WOULDN'T THINK OF SPENDING SUCH A FORTUNE TO EVEN GET HALF OF THIS DONE.

so you're claiming that everyone here has an alt? that is not correct and it forces the user to put a bid and if they chicken out they need to do it during their grace period

i don't know what drugs you're on but it would not cost a fortune due to the fact that all it would be is some simple table log, javascript, and some cron tasks if you will to get this up and rolling, which shouldn't even cost more than 120 if anything if he finds the right guy, and normally for something this simple and from what i remember Mick did have a developer and would more than likely be able to implement this.

 

[Harry]

no I said there is a ton of mc accounts. If someone bids on an account and decides oh I don't like it they should be able to say that lol.

You don't go from loving to hating an account, after already placing a bid...

If someone else had another account on offer, then I would understand where you're coming from but... - they shouldn't have placed the bid in the first place then (if they aren't set on purchasing that account).

 

[ZsZ]

What if during the 3 day grace period of cancelling, the seller accepts the bid? Are you then stuck, being forced to buy it? Or is the owner's accepting of the bid invalid?

The seller does not have to wait till the auction ends to accept a bid. They can accept the bid anytime. If someone bids on the account, they should be prepared to put money into the account. The 3 day period is the amount of time it takes for a bid to be removed. This makes it so that the buyer can't just retract the bid anytime they please.

the seller should not be able to accept a bid before the end of the auction, rather when it is near the end.

I don't see the point to this as the buyer shouldn't bid on an account they don't want. The buyer can retract their bid anytime. It just takes 3 days to do it.

bullshit, no one wants go through this long not needed process..

and warning points that could lead up to a long suspension or a ban because maybe you find a new account or you jusdt aren't interested anymore?

yea no

If you don't want an account, don't bid. It's simple. If you are not prepared to follow through no matter the circumstances, don't follow through. It's just like charging back on an account you bought just because you see an account you want more. I'm treating this bidding system as if you already purchased the account, so you can't just retract the bid.

so what you're saying is that allowing time-wasters on the forums bid for something they might not even want in the end and allowing this to happen consistently is better than a slightly longer process (but can be facilitated through automation) that will uphold accountability and make bidders a lot more smarter and more critical when choosing to bid

The original method is much simpler. It does not require the seller to list an auction end date. If you are not prepared to bid, then don't bid. Think of it not as a 3 day grace period, but as the time it takes to remove a bid.

okay but there are a lot of accounts on the market. if you bid you like the account then, doesn't mean you need to like it later on.

ANYWAYS THIS WOULD COST A FORTUNE TO MAKE AND MC-MARKET/MICK WOULDN'T THINK OF SPENDING SUCH A FORTUNE TO EVEN GET HALF OF THIS DONE.

Yes there are a lot of accounts on the market, and that's why the system would be automated. you don't need to like it later on, however, you do need bid if you said you would bid on the account.

Also, how would this cost a fortune? They already have a developer... they can just use their developer to develop this simple system. Your logic is pretty flawed; this is no problem for Mick and only a problem against people who don't like to be held accountable for their actions.

no I said there is a ton of mc accounts. If someone bids on an account and decides oh I don't like it they should be able to say that lol.

They can say it. They can retract the bid. They just can't retract the bid immediately.

You don't go from loving to hating an account, after already placing a bid...

If someone else had another account on offer, then I would understand where you're coming from but... - they shouldn't have placed the bid in the first place then (if they aren't set on purchasing that account).

I agree with your assessment.

I am saying what if you bid on an account you love and then your DREAM account comes to the market, not in a situation where the person wants to fuck around bidding but has no intent on purchasing the account.

Then they can take the warning points. If your dream account comes to the market, I would sacrifice a few warning points for that. Or, you can be responsible and just have backup funds in case your dream account ever comes to the market.

 

[Harry]

I am saying what if you bid on an account you love and then your DREAM account comes to the market, not in a situation where the person wants to fuck around bidding but has no intent on purchasing the account.

ZsZ Pretty much covers what I would've said. - You shouldn't be biding on accounts that you aren't prepared to purchase.

This is where eBay's system seems pretty good:

When you can retract a bid
You can retract a bid if:

• The seller significantly changed the description of the item
• You accidentally bid the wrong amount. For example, you meant to bid $20, not $200. In this case, enter the price you intended to bid as soon as you've retracted the incorrect bid
• You can't reach the seller. For example, you sent the seller an email and it comes back undeliverable, or you tried calling the seller and the phone number doesn't work

As well as the above, timing is also important when retracting a bid:

• If there are 12 hours or more left before the listing ends, all of your bids can be retracted
• If the listing is ending in less than 12 hours, you can retract your most recent bid if it's been less than an hour since you placed it

Any other bids can't be retracted, but you can contact the seller to see if they'll agree to cancel a bid for you.

Like on eBay, you shouldn't be able to bid on an account, and then retract it because you've found another one (unless the above critera is met).

 

[User]

The seller does not have to wait till the auction ends to accept a bid. They can accept the bid anytime. If someone bids on the account, they should be prepared to put money into the account. The 3 day period is the amount of time it takes for a bid to be removed. This makes it so that the buyer can't just retract the bid anytime they please.

I don't see the point to this as the buyer shouldn't bid on an account they don't want. The buyer can retract their bid anytime. It just takes 3 days to do it.

If you don't want an account, don't bid. It's simple. If you are not prepared to follow through no matter the circumstances, don't follow through. It's just like charging back on an account you bought just because you see an account you want more. I'm treating this bidding system as if you already purchased the account, so you can't just retract the bid.

The original method is much simpler. It does not require the seller to list an auction end date. If you are not prepared to bid, then don't bid. Think of it not as a 3 day grace period, but as the time it takes to remove a bid.

Yes there are a lot of accounts on the market, and that's why the system would be automated. you don't need to like it later on, however, you do need bid if you said you would bid on the account.

Also, how would this cost a fortune? They already have a developer... they can just use their developer to develop this simple system. Your logic is pretty flawed; this is no problem for Mick and only a problem against people who don't like to be held accountable for their actions.

They can say it. They can retract the bid. They just can't retract the bid immediately.

I agree with your assessment.

Then they can take the warning points. If your dream account comes to the market, I would sacrifice a few warning points for that. Or, you can be responsible and just have backup funds in case your dream account ever comes to the market.

I'm aware, but many bidders retract as soon as they are called upon to buy it. So what if the seller says that he's ending the auctioning in 1 day and selling to the highest bidder, but the highest bidder chooses to retract as soon as he sees that?

 

[ZsZ]

I'm aware, but many bidders retract as soon as they are called upon to buy it. So what if the seller says that he's ending the auctioning in 1 day and selling to the highest bidder, but the highest bidder chooses to retract as soon as he sees that?

They won't be able to retract the bid because it takes 3 days to do so.

 

[Jack]

This was talked about and (maybe?) even had some development done towards it several years ago. I don't really remember, it definitely got dropped, and there is no chance it will get implemented in MC-Market's current state (even though it's a good idea, helpful in standardizing auction style threads which buyers and sellers like to abuse).

the seller should not be able to accept a bid before the end of the auction, rather when it is near the end.

This. And that's why end dates are required for auction style threads.

I'm aware, but many bidders retract as soon as they are called upon to buy it. So what if the seller says that he's ending the auctioning in 1 day and selling to the highest bidder, but the highest bidder chooses to retract as soon as he sees that?

If a buyer sees the end date is in 2 weeks, then they should consider "will I want this item / be able to pay for this item if I win the auction in 2 weeks?". If you bid on eBay, you actually lose your money until someone bids higher than you.

 

[User]

This was talked about and (maybe?) even had some development done towards it several years ago. I don't really remember, it definitely got dropped, and there is no chance it will get implemented in MC-Market's current state (even though it's a good idea, helpful in standardizing auction style threads which buyers and sellers like to abuse).


This. And that's why end dates are required for auction style threads.


If a buyer sees the end date is in 2 weeks, then they should consider "will I want this item / be able to pay for this item if I win the auction in 2 weeks?". If you bid on eBay, you actually lose your money until someone bids higher than you.

I'm just talking about right now, most threads don't have a bidding end date. Someone may make an offer, the buyer decides to accept the bid with no previous notice, but the bidder wants to retract.

 

[Jack]

I'm just talking about right now, most threads don't have a bidding end date. Someone may make an offer, the buyer decides to accept the bid with no previous notice, but the bidder wants to retract.

https://www.mc-market.org/threads/451404/#post-3711038
Tl;dr is:
There's rules about having auction end dates. There's also rules about not bidding on things you do not intend to purchase.
Just report the threads and/or users who are fake bidding and it will be handled (not really sure how strict mods are about it though, as it's still rampant).