People getting free labor :(

[CrookedDesigns]

I do illustrations and a lot of my clients come from here,

I created work for someone and he said he loved it!
But he's friends weren't so keen (i show clients the progress every step of the way)

Because his mates didn't like it he charged back on paypal... So i disputed it (as you do)

The little bugger got his cash back from paypal even though I displayed proof of delivery, proof of the client confirming I was doing the correct design as it progressed and proof of him saying 'he loved the work'.


I'm now thinking of leaving this site as It's full of little ***** who scam for free labour, and seeing as paypal couldn't work in my favor, I just worked 5 hours for nothing.

Anyone got any advice for me?

 

[Sentencings]

Everyone get's scammed one time in their life (If not more)
No need to quit the website, just work with more caution.

 

[CrookedDesigns]

Everyone get's scammed one time in their life (If not more)
No need to quit the website, just work with more caution.

This has happened countless times here for me, but this is the first instance where paypal decided in the buyers favour, every other time I've won the dispute because of the evidence I had.

Someone threatened to chargeback on paypal and write a scam report on me because I wouldnt completely re-do their logo after it had been completed, this happened today

 

[Klanx]

Hi!

Don't feel bad! Stupid clients from Aquatis chargeback all the time and I always lose money somewhat. Even though they used the service for a whole month. I have to admit. Paypal is one stupid place to go. Hence why I try to use stripe now.

Anyway! Try to do deals with reputable members! If not! If people do steal your art. Try to make little modifications and release it to the public so the value of their art goes down or something.

Due to this. I may order art from you right now. :3

 

[MTG]

5 hours only and you want to quit? lol
just tell them to send fandf

 

[CrookedDesigns]

Make them pay F&F no note. Or with a note saying they received what they paid for and wont chargeback under any circumstances.

That's a good idea, I'll make sure everyone pays through F&F, I didn't realize they couldn't chargeback if it was paid like that! (I always refund customers when I've failed to complete a project, or if late, people will have to trust me on that)

Hi!

Don't feel bad! Stupid clients from Aquatis chargeback all the time and I always lose money somewhat. Even though they used the service for a whole month. I have to admit. Paypal is one stupid place to go. Hence why I try to use stripe now.

Anyway! Try to do deals with reputable members! If not! If people do steal your art. Try to make little modifications and release it to the public so the value of their art goes down or something.

Due to this. I may order art from you right now. :3

Stripe? What's that?
Most of my clients add me straight from skype, so i never see their MCM profile to file a report :/ I tend to keep an eye on their website in case they use the work, which then I can report for a copyright violation for breach of commercial use[DOUBLEPOST=1499918827][/DOUBLEPOST]

5 hours only and you want to quit? lol
just tell them to send fandf

When your calender is full of clients, 5 hours could have been spent working on other things, not wasting time (I've been doing this for 4 years now)

 

[MTG]

No need to be a dick , maybe he has a lot of other things to do , puts aside time to make art for people and they treat him like shit. Smh

What happened to you ignoring me?
I wasn't a dick and that's none of your business so..

 

[Ivain]

People are dicks. Check the wiki to see if there's any tips on how you can prevent this in the future.
If you have clients that claim they arrived from MCM, ask them who they are.
Record everything. If you have a new client, take pics of anything they say on skype. Send them an invoice for the products. Invoices cost more money than standard G&S, but an invoice with full terms and description of the order and what you delivered make it very hard for them to charge back. Not impossible, but hard.

Over my time on here as terraformer, I have been scammed at least $500 total, simply because I was too lazy or too hurried to execute the security measures I designed after my first $150 project turned a scam.

 

[Errota]

I feel your pain man, lost so much money due to this not only from when I ran Host-Atom, but also from my design work. It's so annoying and disrespectful.

Overall I would make a Scam report for everyone who starts a chargeback and that generally makes them close the case. Also if they do end up making one I make their work into a template and give it away for free.

 

[CrookedDesigns]

I feel your pain man, lost so much money due to this not only from when I ran Host-Atom, but also from my design work. It's so annoying and disrespectful.

Overall I would make a Scam report for everyone who starts a chargeback and that generally makes them close the case. Also if they do end up making one I make their work into a template and give it away for free.

good idea! But where would i put such an offer out? cant make multiple threads in the graphics section i don't think?

 

[Errota]

good idea! But where would i put such an offer out? cant make multiple threads in the graphics section i don't think?

I just put them on my website under free templates, then the link in my signature.

That's what I'm planning to do anyway

 

[Tyler]

I'm sure someone suggested this already but I didn't read all the posts, just the main thread.. Make a scam report on the user and provide all the proof, so there's a lower chance of them doing this to someone else. Also as I did notice someone say, make them pay Friends & Family.

Someone recently charged back on something from me and paypal let them win and even charged me an additional $20 'chargeback fee' which I've never heard of or gotten before, which was bogus because the payment they charged back on was $25. So I lost almost double what I received.