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[VG.Developments]

I pointed out that I wasn't a huge fan of it in the first place. The linework and sketch looked fine to me, however the colouring was terrible and he couldn't seem to get the right scheme to fix it either.

You said you loved the line work and sketch. That's the first place, you are contradicting yourself. I understand you didn't like the color scheme, it was clearly stated throughout your logs plenty of times,

 

[Jesse]

You said you loved the line work and sketch. That's the first place, you are contradicting yourself. I understand you didn't like the color scheme, it was clearly stated throughout your logs plenty of times,

In which case I believe my reasoning is still legit. If he can't figure out the colouring, I shouldn't have to accept the logo.

 

[Bdarkslayer]

I highly suggest you not to deal with this user. Ordered a logo from him for my upcoming project, however the transaction and overall communication didn't go as planned...

Sunday, 22/03/15: I contact Cameron via Spigot, as I couldn't reach him on his old Skype anymore. I showed him two example's of th3cleaner's work, which I liked.
(http://i.affixes.io/a3adho7rxq.png)

Monday, 23/03/15: I added Cameron's new Skype. We talked and agreed to a price of 75$. At this point, I was promised that the logo would be finished between Monday, 30/03/15 and Thursday, 02/04/15. I again reminded him of the two previous logo's I really liked, and sent the first 40% (= 30$).
(http://i.affixes.io/tor7yxdbde.png - http://i.affixes.io/5g7d2ojeyr.png)

Tuesday, 24/03/15: Cameron asks me for contacts of server owners whom he would like to contact for a server logo. I refused to give them.
(http://i.affixes.io/fkjc8kaphq.png)

Wednesday, 25/03/15 - Friday, 27/03/15): No update (3 days)

Saturday, 28/03/15: The date of which work on the logo would've originally started. He couldn't make the ETA of Monday. Max ETA was Thursday, 02/04/15.
(http://i.affixes.io/2qic62z8fo.png)

Sunday, 29/03/15 - Tuesday, 31/03/15): No update (3 days)

Wednesday, 01/04/15: Asked Cameron for an update, after 3 more days. I was promised that the sketch would be finished the next day, as well as the linework if I liked it. His excuse for the delay was a power blackout of Keith (The actual designer).
(http://i.affixes.io/r6x91anua4.png)

Thursday, 02/04/15: The maximum ETA for the logo. By now, it should've been done. He sent me the sketch, which looked fine to me. The linework was delayed for the next day, colouring would be for the day after. Total time delayed: 2 days.
(http://i.affixes.io/8n99vanm2m.png)

Friday, 03/04/15: No update. Total time delayed: 3 days.

Saturday, 04/04/15: Linework is done. Colouring would be done the day after. I asked for a compensation as that means he'll be 4 days late, however there was absolutely no way I was getting that. His excuse was that "Thursday was the maximum eta to start", even though I made it clear it should be finished by then. A lousy excuse. He continuously started to annoy me, state that he didn't care nor had time, followed by him threatening to cancel the logo overall. More on this below. Total time delayed: 4 days.
(http://i.affixes.io/uux1maufn4.png - http://i.affixes.io/8hvt84m31k.png)

Sunday, 05/04/15: Colouring is done, 4 days late. I wasn't a big fan of it (Specifically, the styling of the "Blockify" name). Told him it doesn't fit well, and that it had to fit the background more.
(http://i.affixes.io/fw9rhve6q6.png)

Monday, 06/04/15: No work done. Complained about it, and I should "just wait". We're currently at day 6 past due. He then complained about Keith not responding to him either, in which he gave me 10$ off the order.
(http://i.affixes.io/7v4oxbl2uy.png)

Tuesday, 07/04/15: Revision done, looked even worse. Told him to keep the old one and edit a few things. This was done about 2-3 hours later. I requested a few more changes, as he didn't use the same colours as before. We are at 7 days past due.
(http://i.affixes.io/w6to6f2cv0.png)

Wednesday, 08/04/15: Final logo was provided, 8 days past due. Stated to him that, like previously, I'm not a big fan of it (See Sunday, 05/04/15). Refuses to edit it further and demands the second half of the payment, which I refused to pay. I confronted him with his attitude, which he shortly ignored, followed by deleting me from Skype.
(http://i.affixes.io/et5p99iuzk.png - http://i.affixes.io/tk31t4u6g7.png - http://i.affixes.io/mm3jmp99ks.png)

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I should add that throughout the conversation, Cameron's attitude has worked quite on my nerves, and other people have complained about this as well. He continuously ignores your request, puts up an attitude, makes it clear he doesn't care and that he doesn't have time for "this shit". I don't think that's how you treat your customers... See following Skype logs:

[04/04/15 17:51:30] Cameron Smith | RAS: thursday was maximum eta to start
[04/04/15 17:51:31] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh
...
[04/04/15 17:58:38] Cameron Smith | RAS: it'll be done tomorrow lol
[04/04/15 17:59:28] Jesse (Affixes): Okay. So I guess we cut 5% off the payment each day it’s late?
[04/04/15 17:59:32] Jesse (Affixes): Which is 15% then
[04/04/15 18:02:04] Cameron Smith | RAS: no.
[04/04/15 18:02:20] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh just pay for the logo you're getting a quality product.
[04/04/15 18:04:16] Jesse (Affixes): No. But there’s a certain form of “doing business” here
[04/04/15 18:04:18] Jesse (Affixes): You’re 3 days late
[04/04/15 18:05:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: Should we cancel the project then?
[04/04/15 18:07:13] Jesse (Affixes): If that’s what you want
[04/04/15 18:07:37] Jesse (Affixes): I’m just stating that it’s perfectly reasonable to compensate me. Threatening to cancel the project is a really classic move ;)
[04/04/15 18:08:23] Cameron Smith | RAS: i'm not threatning
[04/04/15 18:08:27] Cameron Smith | RAS: how is that a threat?
[04/04/15 18:08:32] Cameron Smith | RAS: i just don't have time for this bullshit
[04/04/15 18:08:41] Jesse (Affixes): It’s a really classic move. People always try to “threaten” with it
[04/04/15 18:08:44] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh you like the logo, why do you have to be so cheap?
[04/04/15 18:08:51] Cameron Smith | RAS: nah i'm not threating.
[04/04/15 18:08:54] Jesse (Affixes): Because it’s business
[04/04/15 18:08:54] Cameron Smith | RAS: i don't really care.
[04/04/15 18:09:05] Cameron Smith | RAS: you're paying $75 for a logo.
[04/04/15 18:09:34] Jesse (Affixes): You’d be promoted the exact same question if it’d be in real life
[04/04/15 18:11:38] Cameron Smith | RAS: jesse
[04/04/15 18:11:40] Cameron Smith | RAS: i don't have time for this
[04/04/15 18:11:51] Cameron Smith | RAS: you're paying the agreed price for the logo as we agreed on
[04/04/15 18:11:55] Cameron Smith | RAS: and respect keiths time and effort
[04/04/15 18:12:00] Cameron Smith | RAS: to make your logo the best as he can

So, we're almost 3 weeks later. The logo came 8 days paste due (Now I understand that I requested changes, however these could've been pulled off way quicker. The only thing he had to do was change the fill and some outlines). At the end of the day, I'm not only 30$ short, I've also got a useless logo that I most likely will never be using.

FULL chat log (Everything except Transaction ID):

Spoiler

[23/03/15 15:49:16] Jesse (Affixes): Please add me as a contact
[23/03/15 16:18:15] Cameron Smith | RAS: Cameron Smith | RAS has shared contact details with Jesse (Affixes).
[23/03/15 16:18:16] Cameron Smith | RAS: Hello.
[23/03/15 16:19:09] Jesse (Affixes): Hey Cameron
[23/03/15 16:19:13] Jesse (Affixes): Did you receive my Spigot message?
[23/03/15 16:20:08] Cameron Smith | RAS: Yes. :)
[23/03/15 16:20:29] Jesse (Affixes): Great. Is what I described do-able for you?
[23/03/15 16:20:42] Jesse (Affixes): Obviously this isn't a super detailed logo
[23/03/15 16:22:07] Cameron Smith | RAS: The more you pay, the better it'll be.
[23/03/15 16:22:12] Cameron Smith | RAS: Our good logo's usually go for around $75.
[23/03/15 16:22:25] Jesse (Affixes): Yeah, I was aiming around that price range as well
[23/03/15 16:22:32] Jesse (Affixes): Do you have a portfolio website?
[23/03/15 16:24:01] Jesse (Affixes): nvm, found it
[23/03/15 16:24:39] Cameron Smith | RAS: If you for example paid $90, it would be slightly better in detail and such. :)
[23/03/15 16:24:54] Jesse (Affixes): I'm fine with $75 honestly
[23/03/15 16:25:00] Jesse (Affixes): Your thread advertises 30$ xD
[23/03/15 16:25:21] Jesse (Affixes): What's the shortest ETA you could give on such logo?
[23/03/15 16:28:38] Cameron Smith | RAS: $30 absolute minimum.
[23/03/15 16:28:42] Cameron Smith | RAS: We can start on Saturday most likely.
[23/03/15 16:29:18] Jesse (Affixes): And when would it be finished, in that case?
[23/03/15 16:29:53] Cameron Smith | RAS: Probably around Monday.
[23/03/15 16:29:53] Cameron Smith | RAS: :)
[23/03/15 16:30:04] Jesse (Affixes): So about the week...
[23/03/15 16:30:09] Jesse (Affixes): And what's the maximum ETA?
[23/03/15 16:30:29] Cameron Smith | RAS: Around Thursday, but I don't think it would take that long, as long as everything goes on plan atm.
[23/03/15 16:30:42] Jesse (Affixes): Alright, that's do-able for me
[23/03/15 16:31:12] Jesse (Affixes): Well... I'd be happy to have you (Or rather Ravenide :P) create it
[23/03/15 16:31:18] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok, we require 40% upfront.
[23/03/15 16:31:25] Jesse (Affixes): I understand
[23/03/15 16:31:52] Cameron Smith | RAS: $30 to [email protected] please.
[23/03/15 16:32:00] Jesse (Affixes): Remember I really want something in the style of Siege Isles (http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/254/2/0/2045cc53fe9eb216c928f98895d9f92f-d6lv924.png)
[23/03/15 16:32:28] Jesse (Affixes): Rest of the info should be in the PM. No exact copies of course
[23/03/15 16:32:32] Jesse (Affixes): Sending you the money now
[23/03/15 16:34:16] Jesse (Affixes): Sent. Please confirm
[23/03/15 16:42:42] Cameron Smith | RAS: Sorry.
[23/03/15 16:42:44] Cameron Smith | RAS: Was ingame.
[23/03/15 16:43:15] Cameron Smith | RAS: The style of Siege Isles..? But you want someone holding a block and building something?
[23/03/15 16:43:51] Jesse (Affixes): I should rephrase it then: Preferably the same color scheme
[23/03/15 16:44:11] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok.
[23/03/15 16:44:24] Cameron Smith | RAS:  Mar 23, 2015   Payment From The Storm's Network Completed Details Payment From The Storm's Network XXXXX Issue refund  $30.00 USD Correct'
[23/03/15 16:44:25] Jesse (Affixes): The logo itself could be someone holding a block, or rather attempting to build something...
[23/03/15 16:45:01] Jesse (Affixes): The name is "Blockify" - So I guess you could take different routes there. I honestly don't know what looks best
[23/03/15 16:45:09] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok.
[23/03/15 16:45:15] Jesse (Affixes): Anyhow, keep me posted
[23/03/15 16:45:38] Cameron Smith | RAS: Will do.
[23/03/15 16:50:39] Cameron Smith | RAS: Thanks man. :)
[23/03/15 16:51:11] Cameron Smith | RAS:  Mar 23, 2015   Payment From The Storm's Network Completed Details Payment From The Storm's Network XXX Issue refund  $30.00 USD it's this, right?
[23/03/15 16:51:13] Cameron Smith | RAS: Just want to.
[23/03/15 16:51:15] Cameron Smith | RAS: Confirm. :)
[23/03/15 16:59:33] Jesse (Affixes): Yep, it's that payment
[23/03/15 16:59:38] Jesse (Affixes): Sorry about the delay
[23/03/15 16:59:42] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok. :)
[24/03/15 20:55:07] Cameron Smith | RAS: Jesse.
[24/03/15 20:55:13] Cameron Smith | RAS: Could you pass me some contacts of some server owners please?
[24/03/15 20:55:46] Jesse (Affixes): What do you need them for, may I ask?
[24/03/15 20:56:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: I'll ask them if they need some artwork done man. :)
[24/03/15 20:57:14] Jesse (Affixes): Hehehe. Not going to do that, sorry.
[24/03/15 20:57:29] Cameron Smith | RAS: Damn. (worry)
[24/03/15 20:57:46] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ask them for me maybe? If you could do that. :)
[24/03/15 20:58:04] Jesse (Affixes): I prefer not to get in between ;)
[24/03/15 20:58:07] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok.
[28/03/15 23:17:35] Jesse (Affixes): Hey Cameron. Any update on the logo?
[28/03/15 23:19:44] Cameron Smith | RAS: Nope.
[28/03/15 23:24:57] Jesse (Affixes): ETA is still monday?
[28/03/15 23:25:26] Cameron Smith | RAS: Nope.
[28/03/15 23:25:29] Cameron Smith | RAS: Not going on plan.
[28/03/15 23:25:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: Max ETA was Thursday.
[28/03/15 23:25:53] Jesse (Affixes): Alright, thanks
[28/03/15 23:26:09] Jesse (Affixes): Could you update me when you start working on it?
[28/03/15 23:26:15] Jesse (Affixes): I need this pretty badly, that’s why
[28/03/15 23:26:59] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok.
[01/04/15 01:13:19] Jesse (Affixes): Any update, at all?
[01/04/15 01:13:29] Jesse (Affixes): It’s been another 3 days
[01/04/15 01:13:56] Jesse (Affixes): I believe I’ve been waiting for about 9 days now with absolutely no update what so ever
[01/04/15 02:17:03] Cameron Smith | RAS: Will update you with the sketch tomorrow.
[01/04/15 19:04:25] Cameron Smith | RAS: Hey, Keith had a blackout (power went out), sketch halfway done, fully done in the morning, linework can be done tomorrow as well if you like the sketch, that ok?
[01/04/15 19:10:05] Jesse (Affixes): Sure
[01/04/15 19:10:15] Jesse (Affixes): Could you send me a screenshot of how the sketch looks like now?
[01/04/15 19:11:11] Cameron Smith | RAS: He had a blackout, I don't have any update atm.
[01/04/15 19:11:19] Cameron Smith | RAS: I'll send one in the morning.
[01/04/15 19:11:25] Jesse (Affixes): Alright, thanks
[01/04/15 19:11:28] Cameron Smith | RAS: Gtg now.
[01/04/15 19:11:29] Cameron Smith | RAS: Brb later.
[02/04/15 16:13:42] Jesse (Affixes): Any update?
[02/04/15 16:14:31] Cameron Smith | RAS: http://i.imgur.com/mQenw8w.png
[02/04/15 16:15:16] Jesse (Affixes): Wow, looks great so far :)
[02/04/15 16:15:19] Cameron Smith | RAS: :)
[02/04/15 16:15:23] Jesse (Affixes): Any ETA when it'll be done?
[02/04/15 16:15:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: Linework tomorrow, coloring day after that.
[02/04/15 16:15:43] Jesse (Affixes): Alright.
[02/04/15 16:15:55] Cameron Smith | RAS: Want any changes to be made man?
[02/04/15 16:16:44] Jesse (Affixes): No, I actually really really like it
[02/04/15 16:17:24] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok. :)
[04/04/15 01:41:32] Jesse (Affixes): Any update?
[04/04/15 14:20:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: Lineworks done.
[04/04/15 14:40:20] Cameron Smith | RAS: http://i.imgur.com/MPxNoFZ.png
[04/04/15 17:29:53] Jesse (Affixes): Awesome. Coloring today?
[04/04/15 17:31:03] Cameron Smith | RAS: This message has been removed.
[04/04/15 17:31:09] Cameron Smith | RAS: uhm no
[04/04/15 17:31:11] Cameron Smith | RAS: tomorrow
[04/04/15 17:40:04] Jesse (Affixes): Alright
[04/04/15 17:40:18] Jesse (Affixes): I suppose there’s going to be some sort of compensation for the extremely long waiting time / delay?
[04/04/15 17:41:13] Cameron Smith | RAS: what do you mean?
[04/04/15 17:49:58] Jesse (Affixes): Well… It should’ve been done by Thursday
[04/04/15 17:50:06] Jesse (Affixes): Sunday is 3 days late
[04/04/15 17:50:21] Jesse (Affixes): Even though Thursday was the absolute maximum ETA
[04/04/15 17:50:29] Jesse (Affixes): So it’s been like what? 2 weeks?
[04/04/15 17:51:30] Cameron Smith | RAS: thursday was maximum eta to start
[04/04/15 17:51:31] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh
[04/04/15 17:52:27] Jesse (Affixes): Ehm… No
[04/04/15 17:52:39] Jesse (Affixes): [23/03/15 16:29:18] Jesse (Affixes): And when would it be finished, in that case?
[23/03/15 16:29:52] Cameron Smith | RAS: Probably around Monday.
[23/03/15 16:29:53] Cameron Smith | RAS: :)
[23/03/15 16:30:04] Jesse (Affixes): So about the week...
[23/03/15 16:30:09] Jesse (Affixes): And what's the maximum ETA?
[23/03/15 16:30:29] Cameron Smith | RAS: Around Thursday, but I don't think it would take that long, as long as everything goes on plan atm.
[04/04/15 17:52:51] Cameron Smith | RAS: Oh ok.
[04/04/15 17:52:52] Jesse (Affixes): finished
[04/04/15 17:58:38] Cameron Smith | RAS: it'll be done tomorrow lol
[04/04/15 17:59:28] Jesse (Affixes): Okay. So I guess we cut 5% off the payment each day it’s late?
[04/04/15 17:59:32] Jesse (Affixes): Which is 15% then
[04/04/15 18:02:04] Cameron Smith | RAS: no.
[04/04/15 18:02:20] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh just pay for the logo you're getting a quality product.
[04/04/15 18:04:16] Jesse (Affixes): No. But there’s a certain form of “doing business” here
[04/04/15 18:04:18] Jesse (Affixes): You’re 3 days late
[04/04/15 18:05:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: Should we cancel the project then?
[04/04/15 18:07:13] Jesse (Affixes): If that’s what you want
[04/04/15 18:07:37] Jesse (Affixes): I’m just stating that it’s perfectly reasonable to compensate me. Threatening to cancel the project is a really classic move ;)
[04/04/15 18:08:23] Cameron Smith | RAS: i'm not threatning
[04/04/15 18:08:27] Cameron Smith | RAS: how is that a threat?
[04/04/15 18:08:32] Cameron Smith | RAS: i just don't have time for this bullshit
[04/04/15 18:08:41] Jesse (Affixes): It’s a really classic move. People always try to “threaten” with it
[04/04/15 18:08:44] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh you like the logo, why do you have to be so cheap?
[04/04/15 18:08:51] Cameron Smith | RAS: nah i'm not threating.
[04/04/15 18:08:54] Jesse (Affixes): Because it’s business
[04/04/15 18:08:54] Cameron Smith | RAS: i don't really care.
[04/04/15 18:09:05] Cameron Smith | RAS: you're paying $75 for a logo.
[04/04/15 18:09:34] Jesse (Affixes): You’d be promoted the exact same question if it’d be in real life
[04/04/15 18:11:38] Cameron Smith | RAS: jesse
[04/04/15 18:11:40] Cameron Smith | RAS: i don't have time for this
[04/04/15 18:11:51] Cameron Smith | RAS: you're paying the agreed price for the logo as we agreed on
[04/04/15 18:11:55] Cameron Smith | RAS: and respect keiths time and effort
[04/04/15 18:12:00] Cameron Smith | RAS: to make your logo the best as he can
[05/04/15 17:31:00] Jesse (Affixes): Updates on the logo?
[05/04/15 17:31:22] Cameron Smith | RAS: http://i.imgur.com/VwekVzz.png
[05/04/15 17:32:22] Jesse (Affixes): Hmm...
[05/04/15 17:32:48] Jesse (Affixes): I'm not a huge fan of the color scheme around the blockify name
[05/04/15 17:33:02] Jesse (Affixes): Would it be possible to edit that? More specifically to something like this: http://th3cleaner.deviantart.com/art/SI-Logo-new-399527068
[05/04/15 17:33:07] Jesse (Affixes): Color scheme wise, that is
[05/04/15 17:33:11] Jesse (Affixes): Rest of the logo looks great
[05/04/15 17:33:28] Cameron Smith | RAS: http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/254/2/0/2045cc53fe9eb216c928f98895d9f92f-d6lv924.png it's like this..
[05/04/15 17:37:14] Cameron Smith | RAS: It's that color scheme
[05/04/15 17:37:18] Cameron Smith | RAS: siege just has a lot of detail
[05/04/15 17:38:32] Jesse (Affixes): Don't really know what to think of it. It really doesn't match the background
[05/04/15 17:38:53] Jesse (Affixes): The text is bright gold and the rest is gray/green/brown ish
[05/04/15 17:40:04] Jesse (Affixes): Yeah well... It's got to be changed
[05/04/15 17:40:09] Jesse (Affixes): I'm not the designer here but it doesn't fit well
[05/04/15 17:40:20] Cameron Smith | RAS: hmm give me details on what to change it to then
[05/04/15 17:40:29] Jesse (Affixes): Make it match the background more
[05/04/15 17:41:57] Jesse (Affixes): Also, please get rid of the clouds
[05/04/15 17:42:03] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok.
[06/04/15 12:48:04] Jesse (Affixes): Hey. Any updates?
[06/04/15 15:34:08] Jesse (Affixes): ...
[06/04/15 15:38:03] Cameron Smith | RAS: Just wait.
[06/04/15 15:39:24] Jesse (Affixes): I've waited for far too long
[06/04/15 15:39:28] Jesse (Affixes): It's been 2 weeks, Cameron
[06/04/15 15:39:41] Jesse (Affixes): I'm expecting a finished logo sooner than later
[06/04/15 15:39:53] Cameron Smith | RAS: It is finished.
[06/04/15 15:39:58] Cameron Smith | RAS: You want a revision.
[06/04/15 15:40:01] Cameron Smith | RAS: So don't disrespect me.
[06/04/15 15:40:13] Jesse (Affixes): Correct, which is far more than normal in 99% of the cases
[06/04/15 15:40:18] Jesse (Affixes): Any ETA?
[06/04/15 15:41:35] Cameron Smith | RAS: If I said it would be done today it's going to be done today.
[06/04/15 15:41:56] Jesse (Affixes): Well, that wasn't exactly what happened the last 2 times
[06/04/15 16:41:58] Cameron Smith | RAS: Night dude
[16:41:12] Cameron Smith | RAS: Wait.
[16:41:14] Cameron Smith | RAS: I need 1 more thing.
[16:41:18] Cameron Smith | RAS: Please don't go.
[16:41:25] Cameron Smith | RAS: Keith. Please.
[06/04/15 16:41:59] Cameron Smith | RAS: Yeah, fuck it.
[06/04/15 16:42:07] Cameron Smith | RAS: He got off, because he can't be asked to do more work.
[06/04/15 16:42:15] Cameron Smith | RAS: -$10 off the order.
[06/04/15 16:42:29] Jesse (Affixes): Mkay
[06/04/15 16:42:40] Cameron Smith | RAS: This just pisses me off too, sorry.
[06/04/15 16:42:47] Cameron Smith | RAS: I'm most likely more mad than you are.
[06/04/15 16:43:25] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ah gosh, sorry for being bitchy lately.
[06/04/15 16:43:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: I see now where you're coming from.
[06/04/15 16:44:20] Jesse (Affixes): Mhm
[06/04/15 16:44:36] Jesse (Affixes): I just really need the logo done and that's what I care about the most atm
[06/04/15 16:44:45] Cameron Smith | RAS: Yes I understand.
[07/04/15 15:33:45] Cameron Smith | RAS: here https://www.mediafire.com/?lydblwad0lgfy54
[07/04/15 15:41:09] Jesse (Affixes): Yeah, that's probably even worse...
[07/04/15 15:41:11] Jesse (Affixes): Tell you what
[07/04/15 15:41:21] Jesse (Affixes): Keep the old one with the yellow/gold-ish look
[07/04/15 15:41:24] Jesse (Affixes): Remove the clouds
[07/04/15 15:41:30] Cameron Smith | RAS: ok
[07/04/15 15:41:35] Jesse (Affixes): Remove the steam (http://i.affixes.io/iwabsehfzp.png)
[07/04/15 15:41:51] Jesse (Affixes): Remove the ugly-ish yellow glow at the bottom (http://i.affixes.io/92e24jeliv.png)
[07/04/15 15:42:04] Jesse (Affixes): And reduce the glow a bit on the text overall
[07/04/15 15:42:05] Cameron Smith | RAS: ok
[07/04/15 15:42:13] Cameron Smith | RAS: flow?
[07/04/15 15:42:20] Jesse (Affixes): Sorry, meant glow*
[07/04/15 15:42:50] Cameron Smith | RAS: ok
[07/04/15 18:03:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: http://www.mediafire.com/download/sjpxqo6h1jm1u8j/blockify2.png
[07/04/15 18:14:48] Jesse (Affixes): The colours really aren't the same (http://i.affixes.io/csw9w2wigg.png)
[07/04/15 18:15:55] Jesse (Affixes): Please use the same colours as the bottom one. Additionally, I said to reduce the glow, not completely remove it (Except the bottom)
[07/04/15 18:31:40] Cameron Smith | RAS: https://www.mediafire.com/?oadxhbzyqcb7a2b
[07/04/15 18:31:46] Cameron Smith | RAS: out now
[07/04/15 18:31:50] Cameron Smith | RAS: be back later
[07/04/15 18:37:48] Jesse (Affixes): Alright, looks much better. Could you also get me one without the white outline? (Except around the "Blockify" logo - Keep that)
[07/04/15 18:37:51] Jesse (Affixes): eg. http://i.affixes.io/v6igmbmbkh.png
[08/04/15 16:39:48] Jesse (Affixes): Any updates?
[08/04/15 19:17:01] Cameron Smith | RAS: https://www.mediafire.com/?zz42350evohd1y3
[08/04/15 21:02:52] Jesse (Affixes): Yeah, right
[08/04/15 21:02:57] Jesse (Affixes): I'm still not a fan of it
[08/04/15 21:03:18] Jesse (Affixes): And I suppose you're not going to remake it either... You've made that clear by your attitude over the past 2 weeks
[08/04/15 21:03:34] Cameron Smith | RAS: you've literally got what you asked for
[08/04/15 21:03:42] Cameron Smith | RAS: literally no white outlines except the blockify text
[08/04/15 21:03:48] Cameron Smith | RAS: gosh this is like
[08/04/15 21:03:49] Jesse (Affixes): Not really. I'm talking about the overall design
[08/04/15 21:03:49] Cameron Smith | RAS: nonsense now
[08/04/15 21:03:55] Jesse (Affixes): It doesn't look good, period
[08/04/15 21:03:56] Cameron Smith | RAS: On 07/04/15, at 18:37, Jesse (Affixes) wrote:
> Alright, looks much better.

[08/04/15 21:04:01] Cameron Smith | RAS: stop changing your mind please
[08/04/15 21:04:06] Jesse (Affixes): How am I changing my mind?
[08/04/15 21:04:13] Cameron Smith | RAS: looks better, doesn't look good
[08/04/15 21:04:14] Jesse (Affixes): The logo doesn't look good, and it didn't from the start.
[08/04/15 21:04:26] Jesse (Affixes): The only thing that I kept on asking were details
[08/04/15 21:04:30] Jesse (Affixes): Clouds, steam, outlines
[08/04/15 21:04:39] Jesse (Affixes): Yes, those looked better when they were removed
[08/04/15 21:04:51] Jesse (Affixes): But the overall logo doesn't look 75$ worthy
[08/04/15 21:04:58] Jesse (Affixes): Especially with the way you have communicated with me
[08/04/15 21:05:00] Jesse (Affixes): Harsh, rude
[08/04/15 21:05:02] Cameron Smith | RAS: $65 i said.
[08/04/15 21:05:04] Jesse (Affixes): No updates without asking
[08/04/15 21:05:06] Jesse (Affixes): long waiting time
[08/04/15 21:05:22] Cameron Smith | RAS: jesse, enough of this fooling please, that's the final product.
[08/04/15 21:05:29] Jesse (Affixes): Well, that's too bad
[08/04/15 21:05:34] Jesse (Affixes): Better start opening a scam report then
[08/04/15 21:06:25] Cameron Smith | RAS: My attitude?
[08/04/15 21:06:30] Cameron Smith | RAS: My attitude? Do you see yourself?
[08/04/15 21:06:54] Cameron Smith | RAS: Want any changes to be made man?
[2.4.2015. 16:16:44] Jesse (Affixes): No, I actually really really like it
[08/04/15 21:07:00] Jesse (Affixes): Really? Let's not change tables now
[08/04/15 21:07:01] Cameron Smith | RAS: Stop saying you don't like the concept.
[08/04/15 21:07:11] Cameron Smith | RAS: You're acting like a little kid, "i chargeback, you steal my money".
[08/04/15 21:08:21] Jesse (Affixes): On 24/03/15, at 20:56, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> I'll ask them if they need some artwork done man. :)

On 04/04/15, at 17:31, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> uhm no

On 04/04/15, at 17:51, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> thursday was maximum eta to start

On 04/04/15, at 17:51, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> gosh

On 04/04/15, at 18:02, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> gosh just pay for the logo you're getting a quality product.

On 04/04/15, at 18:05, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> Should we cancel the project then?

On 04/04/15, at 18:08, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> i just don't have time for this bullshit

On 04/04/15, at 18:08, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> gosh you like the logo, why do you have to be so cheap?

On 04/04/15, at 18:08, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> i don't really care.

On 04/04/15, at 18:11, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> i don't have time for this

On 06/04/15, at 15:38, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> Just wait.
[08/04/15 21:08:39] Jesse (Affixes): Yeah, great attitude Cameron
[08/04/15 21:08:56] Jesse (Affixes): I'll be sure to mention that
[08/04/15 21:09:01] Cameron Smith | RAS: Feel free.
[08/04/15 21:16:30] Cameron Smith | RAS: Anyways, that's the final product, you got what you asked for.
On 08/04/15, at 21:04, Jesse (Affixes) wrote:
> and it didn't from the start.
Lies, you said the sketch looks great, so don't say this please.
[08/04/15 21:16:53] Cameron Smith | RAS: What email should be invoiced $35?
[08/04/15 21:17:00] Jesse (Affixes): kek
[08/04/15 21:17:09] Cameron Smith | RAS: On 08/04/15, at 21:16, Cameron Smith | RAS wrote:
> What email should be invoiced $35?

[08/04/15 21:17:16] Jesse (Affixes): You're not getting the 35$, I've made that clear by now
[08/04/15 21:17:23] Cameron Smith | RAS: Ok, no permission to use the logo.
[08/04/15 21:17:27] Cameron Smith | RAS: Cheers.
[08/04/15 21:17:31] Jesse (Affixes): Too bad, won't be using it anyway

Had a much similar experience. Took weeks upon weeks to get it.

 

[Foamposites]

This was Cameron`s Service? Lord, it took forever to finally get my logo. The start date was 2/25/15, I finally got it on 12th of March. Not to mention how he rarely responded to me and promised a fast service. Also it took a very long time for the project actually to begin. Mini Rant Over.

 

[Bdarkslayer]

This was Cameron`s Service? Lord, it took forever to finally get my logo. The start date was 2/25/15, I finally got it on 12th of March. Not to mention how he rarely responded to me and promised a fast service. Also it took a very long time for the project actually to begin. Mini Rant Over.

At least we weren't the only ones to experience this.

 

[Zyr]

ATTENTION!

Before you consider Ravenide's Art Services please take a moment to read through my experience, as I am not using the logo purchased from RAS I will tell you of my horrible $105 (AUD) experience before you make a decision.


Saw the quoted price of $30, contacted him and found that to be the minimum cost for very low quality.

Thought Ravenide's Art Services were professional in how they handle customers but it's not the case at all. Talking to this kid is like stepping on egg shells.

I had provided all my server's details and hoped that Cameron would take a look to see what the server was all about (as I do with most artists to see if they get inspired and come up with an idea for the logo)

I asked him if he had happened to check out my server's website for some sort of inspiration, this was his reply:
http://gyazo.com/8a4a76629810603b9e5d6d3b3a91cbe2


Right then and there I could see just how unprofessional this service was but as I had faith in his quality of work I let this moment pass.


As it seemed like he had never handled business the way I had thought (you know, professional?) I thought I would justify what I was asking of him by listing the order of process (for him to take notes from)
http://gyazo.com/9766140d6a2146423840ff227d688d5d
If you provided art services, wouldn't it be better for you to get some information on the server and get an idea before accepting the job and finding that you may not have any creative idea for the task at hand?


I then proceeded to give him details about how I'd like the logo to look:
http://gyazo.com/75ee7b74d448cd37e95140dc7fa0f74f
Based on this section of our conversation the artist seemed very uninterested in my logo but more interested in taking as much money from me as possible.


Living in Australia he went out of his way to convert AUD to USD, but probably to this day has not once visited my website.
http://gyazo.com/20ec5fcebf37548b038a48a8a0b0d8b6


We did not agree on a deadline, as I feel that an artists works better without one. With that said let's move on with my experience.


2 days later after paying 40% upfront:
http://gyazo.com/5572ec20cac1a31a572006ff1c3730a2
If I had not asked, I don't think I would have gotten any update on progress.


4 days later I receive the first draft (sketch)​

Doesn't that dragon behind the Ender Crystal just look epic and legendary? It sort of reminds me of Charizard.
Me: wow, looking incredible


3 days later I receive the finished logo:​

Where did the epic dragon go? It looks like it left their baby behind.


The conversation:
http://gyazo.com/7a73f9f90a24ea03160a0553b1468534
So it looks like he made a $100+ dollar sketch and provided me with a (let's be honest) less than $30 piece of work. And after my concern with the sketch in relation to the finished product he decides to put his foot down and make some things clear with myself.


Within the next 7 days I get a quick update on the progress and the product was delivered once again:
http://gyazo.com/1ce5c0725c6472bf5b2eba2141c0b7db
At this point, with the personality that I got from him, I was not bothered to complain anymore (it looked like Charmeleon, whereas the revision before looked like Charmander) because (as stated before) I'm overly considerate and polite to others. I feel that if I were to complain once again about the dragon that he would either lash out at me or threaten to cancel the job altogether. So I accepted it as it was.





Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you this:

Was it worth it? I can say that it's a great logo, it's just not what I expected based on the first draft sketch.



My results:

- Logo - 6/10
The drawing itself is good and would receive a 9/10 but as it was misleading and ended up not looking how I thought it was after the draft, in my opinion (as the customer who requested this logo) I'll be giving it a 6/10

- Customer experience - 0/10
The absolute worst experience I have ever had, I felt as if I couldn't express my ideas to Cameron without him getting annoyed.

- Ravenide's Art Services - 2/10
He may be talented but that's nothing if you do not listen to your customer's wants and needs. Let alone get annoyed at your customers.



I am not using the logo provided by RAS, I have found someone else to do my logo who had listened carefully to what I wanted, did their research on my server to get inspired and after MANY revisions without being annoyed at me, delivered an OUTSTANDING logo that I am truly happy with.
Here is that logo:

RAS - $75 USD ($105 AUD) - Delivered in 2 weeks+
Another artist - $30 AUD (No conversion needed) - Delivered in 2 days (No joke.)

In the end I ended up paying MUCH LESS for a logo far superior to the "average" quality of Ravenide's Art Services.

I would recommend not purchasing from RAS until they have got their act together. I also wish I had waited some time after Jesse posted his review :\
​

 

[Bdarkslayer]

For anyone needing logos, I don't suggest using RAS.

 

[Zyr]

Holy shit who made that? Looks fucking epic!

Definitely not RAS
It was from a private artist who does not advertise or actually provide an art service, but has great potential to do so!