Re-establish Videogame items

[Joshua C]

For MCM's glory, we need to make this site more appealing to other users so we have members to do business here.

The forum name changed to "Video-Game Arena" likely just a fictional name, could also be "Video-Games"

Or you can also implement a new category under the name "Video Games"

In that, allow the selling of these items such as items/services/accounts related to the game.

Clash of Clans (big market outside of MCM)
Clash Royale (big market outside of MCM)
Fortnite (big market within MCM)
GTA V (extremely HUGE MARKET OUTSIDE OF MCM)
CSGO
Rocket League/Rainbow Seige (big market outside of mcm and some within MCM)
8 ball pool (accounts, booster, items, very big market on a competitor site.)

These are some, the bold ones are optional but this is one way to invite new people into our site.

 

[Justis]

As long as the items being marketed can be marketed without violating the user agreements for the game(s), I’m completely on board with the expansion of our video-games section into other markets.

We have a responsibility not just to be creating sections for products of which there exists demand on our platform, but to be creating sections for products which we want to see more demand for on our platform.

 

[Aureus]

As long as the items being marketed can be marketed without violating the user agreements for the game(s), I’m completely on board with the expansion of our video-games section into other markets.

We have a responsibility not just to be creating sections for products of which there exists demand on our platform, but to be creating sections for products which we want to see more demand for on our platform.

Wait I feel like I've seen a thread about this before but isn't it contradictory to say that but then also permit the selling of Minecraft accounts, social media accounts, and other things that most certainly violate user agreements?

 

[Joshua C]

Wait I feel like I've seen a thread about this before but isn't it contradictory to say that but then also permit the selling of Minecraft accounts, social media accounts, and other things that most certainly violate user agreements?

Fortnite accounts, CoC accounts, GTA V terms say you can't sell an account or share it, but people still do it here.
However, CoC at a time removed this because, this improved their player base because it was building bases buying stuff and selling it for more it made both the person, and CoC staff happy.

However, You can't sell accounts for ANY of these games.
But still, you can do something like codes, boosting and so on.

 

[Orochimaru]

Wait I feel like I've seen a thread about this before but isn't it contradictory to say that but then also permit the selling of Minecraft accounts, social media accounts, and other things that most certainly violate user agreements?

He wants those gone too. Justis has done a 360 on his old views. I've, and many others already switched to another market. *shrug*

 

[Justis]

He wants those gone too. Justis has done a 360 on his old views. I've, and many others already switched to another market. *shrug*

360? I think the phrase you intended to make is meant to use "180". However, my desire to remove content from our website which blatantly violates the rights of a content owner and to stop encouraging our members to violate the terms of their agreements, has remained consistent since I first joined the staff team. My vocalness about it was merely contained within the staff team, until recently, because unless Mick is on board, there’s no point creating arguments within the community.

Wait I feel like I've seen a thread about this before but isn't it contradictory to say that but then also permit the selling of Minecraft accounts, social media accounts, and other things that most certainly violate user agreements?

Correct. I want the platform to be a place where everyone’s rights are respected and only legitimate, legal, and ethical business is conducted.

 

[Blaze.]

I have alerts on for the video-games section in case people are trying to sell CS:GO skins. I cannot tell you how many alerts I get just for Hypixel Skyblock items. (Spoiler: it's around 20 alerts per day.) I'd love to just have alerts on only for like a CS:GO subsection rather than just a "video-game" section, as that's a lot broader. It would limit how many alerts I'd actually receive and would benefit a lot of users like myself.

 

[huh]

I have alerts on for the video-games section in case people are trying to sell CS:GO skins. I cannot tell you how many alerts I get just for Hypixel Skyblock items. (Spoiler: it's around 20 alerts per day.) I'd love to just have alerts on only for like a CS:GO subsection rather than just a "video-game" section, as that's a lot broader. It would limit how many alerts I'd actually receive and would benefit a lot of users like myself.

yes

 

[Cade]

As long as the items being marketed can be marketed without violating the user agreements for the game(s), I’m completely on board with the expansion of our video-games section into other markets.

We have a responsibility not just to be creating sections for products of which there exists demand on our platform, but to be creating sections for products which we want to see more demand for on our platform.

I know your opinion on this stuff but if we're going to allow mc account selling and fortnite account selling why can't we allow all these?

 

[Justis]

I know your opinion on this stuff but if we're going to allow mc account selling and fortnite account selling why can't we allow all these?

A perfect demonstration of the downward spiral towards the complete disregard for people’s rights and the respect of contractual agreements. I don’t want MCM to slide endlessly into black-hat activity until it becomes indistinguishable from generic hack forums.
The only way to stop the short sighted arguments like the one you’ve provided from continuing to pull MCM down is to eliminate MC account selling and other sales which violate the rights of content owners and the contracts that end users have agreed to. Eliminate the precedent and you eliminate future changes which use that precedent as justification.

 

[Bitconnect]

A perfect demonstration of the downward spiral towards the complete disregard for people’s rights and the respect of contractual agreements. I don’t want MCM to slide endlessly into black-hat activity until it becomes indistinguishable from generic hack forums.
The only way to stop the short sighted arguments like the one you’ve provided from continuing to pull MCM down is to eliminate MC account selling and other sales which violate the rights of content owners and the contracts that end users have agreed to. Eliminate the precedent and you eliminate future changes which use that precedent as justification.

1) It's not a downward spiral if it has been this way (and unchanged) for years
2) Contractual agreements of video game accounts are rarely enforced, nor are "people's rights" relevant because these are corporations.
3) "Content owners" - I think the real content owners of video games are the players that play them. Not in terms of the game's core (code/gfx), but rather the accomplishments of each individual player and their account. An online game is nothing without its players.

You're essentially siding with the legal jargon nobody reads that some big gaming company has their lawyers write up and put next to the tickbox that says "I accept the terms and conditions", which they put there so that they don't somehow become liable in the odd 1-in-1-million chance that something happens.

And while I understand you don't want MCM to turn into literally [censored][Censored][/censored], you're also on the path to turning it into /r/minecraft - the path which will lead to slowly eroding away the community until it turns into a dead forum. We can get our "domains, servers, plugins, hosting, advertising, websites, and services" from Spigot's forum, which is probably the #1 place for that kind of stuff anyway.

 

[alice]

eliminate MC account selling and other sales which violate the rights of content owners and the contracts that end users have agreed to. Eliminate the precedent and you eliminate future changes which use that precedent as justification.

And what if there are like 50 other precedents? Are you just going to ban the sale of anything that potentially breaks some services's EULA? That would essentially mean banning all account sales, perhaps even most software sales (since most software that is sold on here is developed by kids who completely ignore software copyright licenses) in addition to the sale of many other products such as activation keys and video game items (which typically falls under RWT/Real World Trading).

And if you were to remove half of the market (probably even a lot more than half if you really *truly* cared about removing all said TOS-violating or unethical precedents), then what, in your own, honest opinion, will keep the forums alive and growing?

Supposedly, the forums already is, even in its current state, struggling with maintaining growth. So what new, ORIGINAL features or things or whatever could you possibly add to this forums to make it stand out to make up for the lack of account sales? Do you have any ideas? Because if you don't, then I don't understand your POV. Because then it doesn't really seem like you care if the forum dies or not, so long as it becomes a fully ethical and law-abiding community, even though, ironically, I would argue there are no "real" laws broken here and the ethics of activities such as account sales are mostly debatable/subjective anyhow and vary on the specific service's policy and what type of agreement the user made with said service, which may not even be legally-binding. Not to imply that any legal action would be attempted anyway, because it wouldn't, ever. In fact, account sales probably do a lot more good than bad for their service.

Your goal right now should be to maximize growth, which can be done by adding new forum features, new sections (even if they introduce more precedents), more aesthetics, more security (for some reason you allow kids to post their PayPal e-mail which gets their account jacked, and there is no different location login verification), A LOT more quality of life and polishing in many areas. But instead, you seem to be mainly focused on revamping forum policies and revamping the reputation system, which honestly, no offense, is no surprise since you're a staff member (so you're limited to that perspective) and spend a lot of your time drafting new policies and rules, and you used to go through scam reports daily.

I don’t want MCM to slide endlessly into black-hat activity until it becomes indistinguishable from generic hack forums.

A "generic hack forums" can still be highly respectable and professional. Most of them actually have a bunch of rules in place, which typically include:

• No harassment.
• No leaking, no doxing, no trashtalking.
• No "blackhat activity" which includes no discussion of cracking specific services, non-educational unethical hacking, doxing a specific member, etc.

However, all account sales would be allowed. Ebook sales would be allowed. Method sales would be allowed. This even includes the sale of things that supposedly appear to be unethical like doxing methods or malware methods, but the author shouldn't be punished for that, because many times people do buy those type of Ebooks for educational and defense purposes.

There is a lot more freedom that way. Economic freedom brings market growth.

 

[Mick]

To add onto what I said previously, I'm not wanting to add a new subforum to this particular section as I don't want to expand/encourage more activity to go there. I'd rather we focus on expanding the forum sections that are positive and helpful and moreso in line with the future I want for the site.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion