Last Wednesday, Lotus created a suggestion to remove Minecraft accounts, in their entirety, from MC-Market. Less than a week later, that suggestion is now the most viewed suggestion on the entire website, by a margin of approximately 5,000 views; this is over twice as viewed as the previous largest suggestion.
The community has seen a large divide in relation to this suggestion. As I make this thread, there are 79 agreeing users and 122 disagreeing users. Of the agreeing users, we have the majority of the staff team; however, we also have Aelin who has disagreed and Tofty, who disagreed with a similar suggestion (banning Hypixel Skyblock items) and is playing "devil's advocate" on this suggestion.
I, personally, have a lot to say on this topic. This starting post will likely be 10, 20, maybe even 30 paragraphs long within the next few weeks. I'd like to see everyone elses opinion on this suggestion, so feel free to discuss below.
The community has seen a large divide in relation to this suggestion. As I make this thread, there are 79 agreeing users and 122 disagreeing users. Of the agreeing users, we have the majority of the staff team; however, we also have Aelin who has disagreed and Tofty, who disagreed with a similar suggestion (banning Hypixel Skyblock items) and is playing "devil's advocate" on this suggestion.
I, personally, have a lot to say on this topic. This starting post will likely be 10, 20, maybe even 30 paragraphs long within the next few weeks. I'd like to see everyone elses opinion on this suggestion, so feel free to discuss below.
To remove the MC accounts sections under the main reason of it being against their TOS, you'd also need to remove:
Established Servers
Premade Setups
Premade Builds
Plugins
Social Media Accounts
Videogame Items
Gift Codes & Licenses
Hosting
Investments & Loans
Currency Conversion
Account selling is a massive part of this forum. Looking at the past 3 page of new posts on MCM, you'll see that there's 7 account selling/appraising threads on the first and second, and 6 on the third. That can be averaged to about 20-25% of the new posts (20/90). Adding on the users that would potentially quit entirely and stop posting in other sections, we can round this up to a clean 25%. A quarter of the site would, most likely, disappear, and that's not even considering the potential effects of removing the OTHER TOS-breaking section above.
From Justis: "If someone is selling or distributing something they don’t own or otherwise have the right to redistribute, then they need to be issued a warning, and the content removed. If someone is doing something which violates the TOS of a service they’re using, and for they are, for whatever reason, unable to resolve it between themselves, then a scam report or a support request can be opened to acquire our support." - From this, it appears that Justis is saying that ONLY things that are not authorized to be redistributed will be removed (without a specific request). However, social media accounts are not authorized for redistribution; yet, he's fighting those who say that it's fair to remove social media accounts as well? It's simply an inconsistent view, no matter what way you try to bend the rules.
Established Servers
Premade Setups
Premade Builds
Plugins
Social Media Accounts
Videogame Items
Gift Codes & Licenses
Hosting
Investments & Loans
Currency Conversion
Account selling is a massive part of this forum. Looking at the past 3 page of new posts on MCM, you'll see that there's 7 account selling/appraising threads on the first and second, and 6 on the third. That can be averaged to about 20-25% of the new posts (20/90). Adding on the users that would potentially quit entirely and stop posting in other sections, we can round this up to a clean 25%. A quarter of the site would, most likely, disappear, and that's not even considering the potential effects of removing the OTHER TOS-breaking section above.
From Justis: "If someone is selling or distributing something they don’t own or otherwise have the right to redistribute, then they need to be issued a warning, and the content removed. If someone is doing something which violates the TOS of a service they’re using, and for they are, for whatever reason, unable to resolve it between themselves, then a scam report or a support request can be opened to acquire our support." - From this, it appears that Justis is saying that ONLY things that are not authorized to be redistributed will be removed (without a specific request). However, social media accounts are not authorized for redistribution; yet, he's fighting those who say that it's fair to remove social media accounts as well? It's simply an inconsistent view, no matter what way you try to bend the rules.
EpicFooF - "Like literally, look at the private accounts section for a second. Half the section is banned for scamming/ban evading, and many of them reopen accounts and continue to scam." - This is absolutely true; unfortunately, with MC accounts comes the shady sellers, and I would have to agree that there's a higher concentration of scammers amongst the account selling community than anywhere else (other than, perhaps, loans/investments).
ANIME LOVER - "do this and a good chunk of people in the og section are probably gonna exit scam, this is an inevitable domino that will be favored heavily in staff bias to be accepted despite a 50/50 agree/disagree ratio." - As fraud said, if this is implemented, scamming will increase heavily in the short period of time before accounts stop being sold. Many users are here for the sole purpose of selling MC accounts; if they can't do that, what do they have to lose?
ANIME LOVER - "the people DISAGREEING are all the people EXPERIENCED in the subject.
WHY SHOULD SOMEONE UNEXPERIENCED IN SAID SECTION BE GIVEN THE IDEA TO REMOVE IT?" - Also a good point from fraud, although this can be flipped on its head. The majority of those wanting to ban MC account selling have little to no experience in the market, whereas those wanting to keep it have much more experience on average.
ANIME LOVER - "the people DISAGREEING are all the people EXPERIENCED in the subject.
WHY SHOULD SOMEONE UNEXPERIENCED IN SAID SECTION BE GIVEN THE IDEA TO REMOVE IT?" - Also a good point from fraud, although this can be flipped on its head. The majority of those wanting to ban MC account selling have little to no experience in the market, whereas those wanting to keep it have much more experience on average.
dxn - "Justis it seems that you and Lotus have both planned this thread together. The thread was posted at X:09 and you replied at X:10, so it looks like it was you who wanted this implemented more than Lotus considering you are the one replying to every point on this thread, even though you're not the OP." - Definitely valid. Justis admitted to having a response planned in advance. I don't think this is necessarily bad, but it is misleading to portray the suggestion in this way.
Justis - "I have been a member since 2014, when this site was created by a small group of developers in a Skype group chat which I was a part of, wanting a better place to sell their plugins and plugin development services. I watched this site grow from nothing.
I have been a staff member for nearly four years, and administrator for nearly two.
For a period of time, I was the entire resource moderation team.
For a period of time, I was was the scam resolver team.
The reputation system’s current functionality as well as the dispute system was my design.
I wrote the majority of MC-Market’s documentation. The rules, the wikis, the warnings, the staff policies." - To claim that Justis does not have experience in the community would be, in all honesty, entirely ignorant. He's one of the "OGs" in the MC-Market community, even though he isn't an account seller himself.
Justis - "I have been a member since 2014, when this site was created by a small group of developers in a Skype group chat which I was a part of, wanting a better place to sell their plugins and plugin development services. I watched this site grow from nothing.
I have been a staff member for nearly four years, and administrator for nearly two.
For a period of time, I was the entire resource moderation team.
For a period of time, I was was the scam resolver team.
The reputation system’s current functionality as well as the dispute system was my design.
I wrote the majority of MC-Market’s documentation. The rules, the wikis, the warnings, the staff policies." - To claim that Justis does not have experience in the community would be, in all honesty, entirely ignorant. He's one of the "OGs" in the MC-Market community, even though he isn't an account seller himself.
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