Remove “objectionable content” from Rule 5.6

[Remnicore]

Yeah. Apparently I break Rule 5.6 often. Most recently I received 10 warning points and a suspension for this, but I didn’t know it because I didn’t login until after my suspension was over. Hilarious, I know.

I understand the first precedent to Rule 5.6, but “objectionable content” is so fucking vague it can be loosely interpreted like the fucking Bible. Maybe I’m alone here, but with something so vague and undefined, it’s easy for any staff member to view something as “objectionable”, “unpleasant” or “offensive” and remove and suspend a user for it.

Nobody asked, but I’ll elaborate here. Somebody went out of their way to report all my previous threads because apparently I piss a lot of people off (what a shocker). One of them was a thread where I was selling Cinemark tickets. I did not offer a method, although I was asked several times. I knew that was in violation of the rules so I did not offer my method for sale. Another reason I didn’t is because I didn’t have a fucking method. I used the Cinemark app, which I had free credits on, and I noticed that when I booked tickets my credits weren’t being removed. It seemed like an endless supply of free movie tickets. I was selling these to my IRL friends because we all go to the same Cinemark theater. I wanted to expand to over MCM and Discord, however I never got a single sale. I did a vouch copy, and when I did it at a theater in New Jersey, the “glitch” didn’t work, so I lost credits. I tried again the next week at my own theater and it worked. The following week my credits were removed because the developers patched it.

I was informed that me soliciting that and attempting to sell it was “objectionable”. I call bullshit.

EDIT: Not really relevant, but some more bullshit for Ellie : I was asked to submit “proof” of giftcards I was selling. I was selling stuff like a Nike and a Nordstrom gift card, which were physical gift cards I got for my fucking birthday and Christmas. It’s literally just profiling because I break the rules a lot, so I’m compelled to prove gift cards I sell are legit. That’s bullshit.

tl;dr - “Objectionable content” shouldn’t be a thing because it’s so fucking vague and it can be interpreted to fit any narrative depending on how a staff member feels about a thread/situation.

 

[Ted]

I agree to a point;

Objectionable Content should be more defined, such as a list. There should be a location which is added to, or modified that users can visibly see which posts would classify under objectionable content or not. Whenever I was selling Google Home Mini Codes a while back, it was classified as objectionable content through a warning in chat and a private dm. No where else was it publicized under being objectionable. Therefor users kept posting sales threads until they were reported. Thus gaining warning points and being suspended for just being a typical mc-market entrepreneur.

Removing it entirely though? I don't think that should be the option. I think though in the future that if a staff member asks for proof of identification for a product sales, that you look into it more. This is to protect against users selling stolen/carded gift cards, which are all digital. If you don't want to that's okay, but if they remove your thread don't freak.

 

[Remnicore]

I agree to a point;

Objectionable Content should be more defined, such as a list. There should be a location which is added to, or modified that users can visibly see which posts would classify under objectionable content or not. Whenever I was selling Google Home Mini Codes a while back, it was classified as objectionable content through a warning in chat and a private dm. No where else was it publicized under being objectionable. Therefor users kept posting sales threads until they were reported. Thus gaining warning points and being suspended for just being a typical mc-market entrepreneur.

Removing it entirely though? I don't think that should be the option. I think though in the future that if a staff member asks for proof of identification for a product sales, that you look into it more. This is to protect against users selling stolen/carded gift cards, which are all digital. If you don't want to that's okay, but if they remove your thread don't freak.

My whole issue was they were just gravedigging my old threads that somebody reported because I pissed somebody off. It was legit or no sales were ever made, but a staff member was able to rule it as “objectionable” which I just don’t agree with it.

It’s like obscene. The famous quote, “I can’t define it. But I know it when I see it”.

Shouldn’t work like that. Maybe I find it objectionable that people sell Minecraft accounts because it violated Mojang’s TOS.

 

[Ted]

My whole issue was they were just gravedigging my old threads that somebody reported because I pissed somebody off. It was legit or no sales were ever made, but a staff member was able to rule it as “objectionable” which I just don’t agree with it.

It’s like obscene. The famous quote, “I can’t define it. But I know it when I see it”.

Shouldn’t work like that. Maybe I find it objectionable that people sell Minecraft accounts because it violated Mojang’s TOS.

I can agree with the whole "selling Minecraft accounts violates Mojang's TOS" but people do it anyways. I believe that if you receive a warning based under "Objectionable Content", you should report it asking specifically for where it says it's not allowed. Punishing someone off a broad law is plain wrong. Unless a warning was provided beforehand stating that you are not allowed to post it again, I would dispute it.

 

[Remnicore]

I can agree with the whole "selling Minecraft accounts violates Mojang's TOS" but people do it anyways. I believe that if you receive a warning based under "Objectionable Content", you should report it asking specifically for where it says it's not allowed. Punishing someone off a broad law is plain wrong. Unless a warning was provided beforehand stating that you are not allowed to post it again, I would dispute it.

I gave up on disputing it. They don’t give verbal warning for “objectionable content”. That’s my issue with this. If they find it objectionable, you get fucked.

 

[Sloth]

I agree to a point;

Objectionable Content should be more defined, such as a list. There should be a location which is added to, or modified that users can visibly see which posts would classify under objectionable content or not. Whenever I was selling Google Home Mini Codes a while back, it was classified as objectionable content through a warning in chat and a private dm. No where else was it publicized under being objectionable. Therefor users kept posting sales threads until they were reported. Thus gaining warning points and being suspended for just being a typical mc-market entrepreneur.

Removing it entirely though? I don't think that should be the option. I think though in the future that if a staff member asks for proof of identification for a product sales, that you look into it more. This is to protect against users selling stolen/carded gift cards, which are all digital. If you don't want to that's okay, but if they remove your thread don't freak.

I believe they try and keep the rules as vague as possible in order to justify certain warnings/punishments which is unfortunate. There are a lot of rules that exist that have good intentions but have little to no clarity.

 

[Mick]

The reason that our rules for objectionable content are vague is because they need to be to ensure that we can enforce them against every new method or exploit or system to try cheat the system.

In your particular situation, you were abusing a bug with a theatres application to steal free tickets from them which is incredibly unethical. It's clear that we don't allow for illegal activity on our site or selling unowned items/services which you were also breaking.

It's very very easy to follow our rules. As long as you're not selling something you got from an exploit, that you own, and that you're allowed to distribute then you should be fine. If you're ever unsure please create a ticket and ask us and we can confirm each particular case to you.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion