Remove Business Accounts

[Devon]

I think that business accounts should be removed for a few reasons:
1. They are completely pointless. Why spread your reputation between 2 accounts? It could also confuse people and they not know it's you if it is not very clearly marked.
2. Ban evasion. Recently Corey B was suspended and he thinks it's alright to use his business account ClusterWorks LLC for some strange reason

There are other things that could be thought of for and against them so please leave thoughts and vote on the poll

 

[Miinter]

I agree with them being linked somehow.
If one gets banned or suspended, the other should also since they are the same person.
It makes them responsible.

 

[Devon]

Corey B was banned for a shit reason anyways.

That's not what the thread is about. Also, he was just an example.

 

[Dragonfly]

Why do you need anything but a "business account" on a marketplace.

 

[nara~kavi]

I think that they are totally pointless. Staff often go on and on about how this is a 'marketplace' and isn't a social gathering, so if users are allowed to have 'business accounts' then what does that make their normal accounts? Why do they need to be separate?

Users should have one account, and every post, every action that they take using that account should be held accountable to that user.

Every account on this website should be a 'business account'. If you aren't here for business then you have no place here, in my opinion, unless you are a member of staff.

So I motion that every user with a business account should be forced to choose between their business account or their main, and then have their other account banned. Then from now on there should be no exceptions to people caught alting/multi-accounting.

I still need someone to explain to me specifically what the point of a business account is?

Montyburly and I conduct all of our business via our two separate accounts just fine despite the fact that every business we run is a partnership. I don't think there's any need whatsoever for accounts to be shared.

 

[Cooltime2]

I want this; however, it is not going happen. You know when companies register on mcmarket to advertise hosting and such. What do they buy to make them worthy. Ranks. The companies will just buy ranks on personal and business account which equal revenue to mcmarket. It is not going happen that easily.

 

[Lyphiard]

Sometimes business accounts can be useful. For example, me and Lachy share the Nexril which allows both of us to manage threads, reply to PMs, etc. This wouldn't be possible on a personal account.

 

[Lyphiard]

I mean, it could be possible, but then it wouldn't be personal.

Yes, it's possible, but I'm pretty sure that none of us want to give out our personal account details

 

[Tyler]

I agree with this, and I have the same reasoning as users posted above. Also, if Corey is ban evading on his business account, then shouldn't his suspension be extended?

 

[nara~kavi]

Sometimes business accounts can be useful. For example, me and Lachy share the Nexril which allows both of us to manage threads, reply to PMs, etc. This wouldn't be possible on a personal account.

montyburly and I both do business 100% together but we don't need a business account.

Consider this scenario: What if your partner turned to scamming? I know in this specific example Lachlan never would (I know he is a great person) but what if, in some other scenario, one user of a business account scammed and the other didn't? I assume in that case the business account would be banned, correct? In that case, both users of the business account would lose all of their ratings and business associated with that account and the other user of the account who didn't scam would be left in a very precarious position.

I think that instead of business accounts being allowed, staff should provide users with tools that allow them to 'add' people to threads, allowing them to manage threads that they created alongside them.

Regardless, I think it's simple enough for one member of a partnership to manage the MCM account, since Monty and I have done that this entire time.

 

[Lyphiard]

montyburly and I both do business 100% together but we don't need a business account.

Consider this scenario: What if your partner turned to scamming? I know in this specific example Lachlan never would (I know he is a great person) but what if, in some other scenario, one user of a business account scammed and the other didn't? I assume in that case the business account would be banned, correct? In that case, both users of the business account would lose all of their ratings and business associated with that account and the other user of the account who didn't scam would be left in a very precarious position.

I think that instead of business accounts being allowed, staff should provide users with tools that allow them to 'add' people to threads, allowing them to manage threads that they created alongside them.

Regardless, I think it's simple enough for one member of a partnership to manage the MCM account, since Monty and I have done that this entire time.

Something that would allow users to manage other users' threads would be perfect, but unfortunately MCM doesn't have this. However, apart from giving the other user your login, there's nothing you can do apart from messaging them to change something on a thread that both of you own/run.

For example, if Lachlan was on vacation for say a week, I would have to wait until he returned in order to post updates, respond to PM's, etc. If MCM was able to implement a method of adding users to threads, then I fully support the removal of business accounts.

 

[Produce]

+1

 

[Renovix]

I think that business accounts should be removed for a few reasons:
1. They are completely pointless. Why spread your reputation between 2 accounts? It could also confuse people and they not know it's you if it is not very clearly marked.
2. Ban evasion. Recently Corey B was suspended and he thinks it's alright to use his business account ClusterWorks LLC for some strange reason

There are other things that could be thought of for and against them so please leave thoughts and vote on the poll

It is not considered ban evasion if Corey is suspended, and I am using the ClusterWorks LLC account. It is a business account that Corey and myself share, so you can't assume that it was Corey who was ban evading. (He might've done so once.)

They also have a very valid reason. It isn't spreading your reputation among two different accounts... One is a reputation your business receives, and one is your personal reputation.

 

[thebaum64]

I may this suggestion way back and nothing happened. I hope something does this time.

 

[nara~kavi]

It is not considered ban evasion if Corey is suspended, and I am using the ClusterWorks LLC account. It is a business account that Corey and myself share, so you can't assume that it was Corey who was ban evading. (He might've done so once.)

They also have a very valid reason. It isn't spreading your reputation among two different accounts... One is a reputation your business receives, and one is your personal reputation.

Here is Corey admitting that he was on the account:

This picture was taken at the time he was suspended. If a suspended user can just hop on a business account that they own whenever they are suspended then there is no point in suspending anyone. Business accounts (if they must exist) should be suspended when a member is suspended the same way they are banned when a member is banned.

As far as I was aware, business accounts received the same punishment as the main accounts do. The fact that this is not the case seems like a big oversight by staff and gives every single member of this forum the ability to bypass suspensions by having a business account that they "share".

As for your last remark, in my opinion on a marketplace website your 'personal' reputation should be directly tied to your 'business' reputation, because all that anyone should be here is for business. People shouldn't be allowed to have troll accounts and work accounts, which is what the system currently encourages.

And I think sharing accounts just brings up too many issues, as this current issue demonstrates. Obviously in this case the business account should have been suspended since it was one that belongs to Corey B. and one that he used to ban-evade while he was suspended. But in this scenario, you, Renovix, would be shit out of luck because of the actions made by your partner. This is the great big flaw of the business account system.

 

[Renovix]

nara~kavi, I'm beggining to notice the fact that you indeed are correct. When I began to work with Corey I did so because the business he was running (offering various services) was enticing and I wanted to help out. I originally thought that the Business account would help us run the business with one user instead of both of us.

Personal services and business account services could indeed be different, that is why I said personal and business reputation. Personal services I offer are very different from the business account services.

I will continue to use my personal account for ClusterWorks, and will disassociate myself from the business account. When extremely necessary for me to do a deal with the business account or post an update when Corey is away, I will do so.

I honestly don't see the extreme harm in business accounts, I can see what you mean in your arguments, but there are valid counter-arguments as well. In the end, I think business accounts are easily manipulated, but they are very useful to big businesses.

I understand why you'd want the accounts removed.

I guess I'm fine either way - we will see what happens. I'm not leaving MCM just because of this.