Remove total ratings and post count

[Justis]

Members' profiles should not display the total amount of ratings they've received, nor posts they've made.
This is unnecessary; and is often being mistaken as reputation.

The whole reason people try rate boosting and post farming is to build up that count.
Because other members of the forums are stupid enough to use it as basis for determining how trustworthy a member must be.

Ratings are meant only to gauge the community's reaction to a specific post.
One single post. It's counterproductive to count them.

People make alternate accounts and give each of their posts a like because when you count them all up, it makes it mean something; it makes a difference.
But a single like on a single post means little to nothing, so removing the totals will discourage alt accounting.
It will also discourage users from trusting people just because of their rate count; since a total would no longer be available.

Removing the total post count will also discourage users from post farming.
No longer will people say "Almost at 200!!!" and then go on every other guy's account thread and say "Glws", being so proud of themselves now that they've got more ratings, and are to be considered "a more reputable member of the community".

Members of MCM should be judged based off each individual post that they make.
As well as the constructive feedback of the people who've dealt with them. Positive and negative.
This will be made possible with the introduction of the new feedback feature.

I believe removing the totals will clean up our site immensely. Greatly improve the currently corrupt system; and move us in the right direction as a forum and as a community.

Anxious for your thoughts.

(If you disagree, please post a reply explaining why this is. Otherwise I'll just assume you're voting thoughtlessly)

 

[Justis]

I think that this should be removed for members, but people with an account which has 3 months or over activity, 250 posts & over 50 ratings - can display this

You would still have to count the total of normal members in order to know when they got to that certain point.
And members would still be making low quality posts, and rate farming to get their count up to that point... And thinking that people who show their ratings are reputable whereas people who don't are not...
This defeats the purpose entirely.
Just remove the totals.

 

[Deep]

This is stupid, Its the new members fault for mistaking ratings as reputation, they don't read the rules, it's a accomplishment to have a certain number of ratings, it makes us feel proud, I'd doubt anyone of our high reputable members use the "green" as reputation, all the high reputable sellers/buy refer it to as vouch, look at my vouches. New people try to rate boost because they think that's reputation, they don't read their rules, they won't be trust most of them are scammers, when someone asked for advice to get reputable, All the reputable members say "vouches" and SoldierAlex made s thread to help people, but it barley got attention.

 

[Justis]

This is stupid, Its the new members fault for mistaking ratings as reputation, they don't read the rules, it's a accomplishment to have a certain number of ratings, it makes us feel proud, I'd doubt anyone of our high reputable members use the "green" as reputation, all the high reputable sellers/buy refer it to as vouch, look at my vouches. New people try to rate boost because they think that's reputation, they don't read their rules, they won't be trust most of them are scammers, when someone asked for advice to get reputable, All the reputable members say "vouches" and SoldierAlex made s thread to help people, but it barley got attention.

It's not an accomplishment, even though we, as a community, have conditioned ourselves into seeing it as one.
I see you going around all the time making posts where all you do is tag members...
And then you get heart ratings for it..
As much as I appreciate you connecting me to people I can help.
This is no accomplishment. You should not be proud.
Be proud of each individual post you make.
That's the kind of attitude I'm hoping to inspire here.

Yeah, i get your point but what if it was that you need to post a comment with over X amount of words on it.
And also add a like a line with an 'X' on it, which shows how trustworthy the person is.
E.G If a person is 100% trustworthy, 'X' would be on 1 point

Can we just stick with removing the totals first and see how that goes? ^.-
I'd rather not overcomplicate this.

To be honest, i like watching how many rating i have as well as post. I feel like i have accomplished something whenever i hit a milestone.

"It's not an accomplishment, even though we, as a community, have conditioned ourselves into seeing it as one...

Be proud of each individual post you make.
That's the kind of attitude I'm hoping to inspire here."

 

[dentoffe]

I would display vouches ?

 

[Deep]

It's not an accomplishment, even though we, as a community, have conditioned ourselves into seeing it as one.
I see you going around all the time making posts where all you do is tag members...
And then you get heart ratings for it..
As much as I appreciate you connecting me to people I can help.
This is no accomplishment. You should not be proud.
Be proud of each individual post you make.
That's the kind of attitude I'm hoping to inspire here.



Can we just stick with removing the totals first and see how that goes? ^.-
I'd rather not overcomplicate this.


"It's not an accomplishment, even though we, as a community, have conditioned ourselves into seeing it as one...

Be proud of each individual post you make.
That's the kind of attitude I'm hoping to inspire here."

What else shall I say instead of tagging people? They can just choose not give rating, it does not bother me, half the time k tag peopl, they say "Thanks for the tag." On their post and just tell them about theirself to the client

 

[nara~kavi]

People have worked hard for the ratings that they have. Everything fun is consistently removed from this website lately. People keep leaving and you guys are scratching your heads as to why? You're killing the community by doing idiotic things like this. I know Bosny and Rocket both want to remove ratings and it's totally stupid to do it because people here like fun things and ratings are fun. You can't just make this site purely a market and remove all community aspects from it because at that point people will stop coming here.

There's nothing wrong with the current system. Post count and rating count allows new members to gouge who has been on the site longer, and generally speaking, who is more reputable. How many members with 1000+ ratings have actually scammed? Off the top of my head I can think of only Jurhed and Skill. Skill was a known scammer before he obtained his high ratings and Jurhed scammed only because he got bored of the site. Generally speaking, members with more than 1000+ ratings aren't going to scam, because they worked hard to obtain those ratings and they earn a lot of money off of the site with their high ratings and post count supporting that.

All removing ratings will do is piss people off. It won't protect anyone. New members will still get scammed and idiots will still get scammed because that's just how it goes. The only way to protect idiots from scammers is to give them a lobotomy.

I have said it before and I will say it again - removing ratings will be the straw that broke the camel's back on this website. I am sick and tired of all the bullshit that staff do over and over again consistently removing everything or changing everything that made this site a fun place to hang around at. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Just leave it alone. The only people that would support you are people with no ratings.

Stick to your chatbox Justis, that's where you belong. Let the adults make the real decisions.

i wrote this after waking up so if there are typos i deserve leniency

 

[thebaum64]

Ratings are a fun thing to get though and in a way add to the forum as do post count. It shows that someone is active, not trustworthy though. I honestly think removing it is pointless. Likes and such are a basic forum fuction honestly, removing it would be weird

 

[Zeiyon]

I think you should be able to rate people and all,
And see your total posts and ratings but just make it so that no-one else can see it...
That way people wouldn't get scammed as easily...
As ratings aren't rep

Plus you can never win against Justis, he will always win

 

[Ivain]

Post count is a good thing to see how active someone has been at a glance. That and ratings still have the purpose by letting people see if someone is potentially new to the forums. Whenever I see someone with low postcount and ratings I always check their joining date. I don't want to do that for every person I come across though.

RATINGS ARE NOT REP. There's a guide in the member tutorials now that explains in a clear and easy way what reputation actually is. I suggest making that part of the Wiki as well as the anti-scamming guide (SoldierAlex did a great job on it), so that people can start learning that it's the way it actually is.

People will learn eventually. Removing the ratings and posts counts will just mean that people start using something else that's stupid as a basis of "rep".

Removing the trophies for rate and post counts (if they exist) do sound like a good idea to discourage post farming.

 

[Justis]

It is just a big a accomplishment as grades in school, like getting over a fear. We set goals that is how it is. I also think this rating system pushes people to write a more detailed texts to achieve that accomplishment of people actually taking you serious and respects you.

When you set goals...
You do anything to achieve them.
This is why the rating system is abused, why post count is abused....

And why idiots in school have A's and work as McDonalds employees for the rest of their lives while those who actually have something to contribute go on to change the world.

These totals.. Grades in school, they mean little in what a human can and does bring to the world, as well as these forums.
I hate seeing people judge their own worth off of them.


Ivain, thebaum64.
Ratings have very little to do with how active you are.
One can easily acquire more ratings in just a few hours of spamming around the forums than someone who spends days in shoutbox or private messaging customers or people offering services, making giveaways or being active in rating/message disabled general discussion/support forums.

People have worked hard for the ratings that they have.

Let me stop you right there...
Because that is the source of the problem.
Nobody should be working towards ratings or post count. This does not determine your worth to the site, your worth you yourself, your ability to be trusted, nothing."

I expected to get a lot of hate on this suggestion from people who have been constantly trying to build up their ratings and posts... Get on those "Notable members" lists...
Those who think those two numbers determines whether or not they are respected by the community... Like the numbers make a difference...
Instead of by the individual content.

This selfish community attitude will never change if we don't.
Let go of your numbers. -.- Be free.

 

[montyburly]

Let me stop you right there...
Because that is the source of the problem.
Nobody should be working towards ratings or post count. This does not determine your worth to the site, your worth you yourself, your ability to be trusted, nothing."

What exactly would removing ratings solve? You're saying that people should research the members they buy from/sell to before they make transactions, and determine whether they're trustworthy or not based on that, right? Well, if people are too lazy to do that now what makes you think they'll do that if ratings are removed? Removing them would just make scamming easier because people won't have anything at all to use to quickly make opinions about members.

I don't care if you say ratings aren't rep. They're rep to tons of people on the site, including me. Just because you don't consider them rep doesn't mean you have to go ruining it for everyone else. If I want to base deals I make on how many ratings someone has, I can. That choice does not affect you or anyone else on the site. It is my business alone and there's no reason you need to ruin that for me and everyone else who feels this way.