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Members' profiles should not display the total amount of ratings they've received, nor posts they've made.
This is unnecessary; and is often being mistaken as reputation.

The whole reason people try rate boosting and post farming is to build up that count.
Because other members of the forums are stupid enough to use it as basis for determining how trustworthy a member must be.

Ratings are meant only to gauge the community's reaction to a specific post.
One single post. It's counterproductive to count them.

People make alternate accounts and give each of their posts a like because when you count them all up, it makes it mean something; it makes a difference.
But a single like on a single post means little to nothing, so removing the totals will discourage alt accounting.
It will also discourage users from trusting people just because of their rate count; since a total would no longer be available.

Removing the total post count will also discourage users from post farming.
No longer will people say "Almost at 200!!!" and then go on every other guy's account thread and say "Glws", being so proud of themselves now that they've got more ratings, and are to be considered "a more reputable member of the community".

Members of MCM should be judged based off each individual post that they make.
As well as the constructive feedback of the people who've dealt with them. Positive and negative.
This will be made possible with the introduction of the new feedback feature.

I believe removing the totals will clean up our site immensely. Greatly improve the currently corrupt system; and move us in the right direction as a forum and as a community.

Anxious for your thoughts.

(If you disagree, please post a reply explaining why this is. Otherwise I'll just assume you're voting thoughtlessly)
 
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I have to admit that it kinda piss me off when I have to proof my honesty by spamming the forum to get posts and ratings (which I don't do) because I read the forum way more than I post. But, removing these could be even worse as everything will be more blurry, and some alts could even lie to new members and impersonate easier, in my opinion.
 

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This is a horrible idea. If ratings are removed on what basis are we to judge a user. No one is going to search for every single post they made and the reasoning behind every single positive rating. That'd be just stupid. These counts help people evaluate quickly who they're dealing with. Sure, new users are at a disadvantage but in order for them to gain rep they have to usually do everything first which is a fair system. If you want to make it on here you have to work for it. Getting rid of these counts is like getting rid of fico scores (credit card scores). If banks couldn't check your credit how would they be able to know if your trustworthy or not? How would they be able to calculate risk? How would they be able to assign the correct interest rate? They wouldn't! It's not supposed to be an even playing field. That's not how life works. When you first start driving your insurance is going to be much higher than someone who's been driving for 20+ years. In conclusion, it's a bad idea. Don't do it.
The new trade system will offer up information on how many successful deals a user has made, and will also include real positive and negative reviews.
This will likely be released in the next update, and users can judge how trustworthy a user is based off that.

Ratings and messages shouldn't even be considered for judging this, because all ratings are positive, and you can get them just by rolling out messages into the forums.
You never even have to make a deal.

It's an absurd system, yet everyone uses it because it's most convenient, there's no easier option, and everyone wants easy.
Well with the new trade review system, we'll have a more accurate and easily accessible number for determining trustworthiness than this useless and pointless message/rating totals system that's been plaguing MCM with illegitimate values since the beginning.
We should get rid of it now.
The longer it's here, the more users get used to it and use it for determining things that are completely irrelevant to what they really represent.
 

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The new trade system will offer up information on how many successful deals a user has made, and will also include real positive and negative reviews.
This will likely be released in the next update, and users can judge how trustworthy a user is based off that.

Ratings and messages shouldn't even be considered for judging this, because all ratings are positive, and you can get them just by rolling out messages into the forums.
You never even have to make a deal.

It's an absurd system, yet everyone uses it because it's most convenient, there's no easier option, and everyone wants easy.
Well with the new trade review system, we'll have a more accurate and easily accessible number for determining trustworthiness than this useless and pointless message/rating totals system that's been plaguing MCM with illegitimate values since the beginning.
We should get rid of it now.
The longer it's here, the more users get used to it and use it for determining things that are completely irrelevant to what they really represent.
Why are you upset then? You're getting what you want because they're adding a trading system. What's the reasoning for removing ratings now?
 

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The new trade system will offer up information on how many successful deals a user has made, and will also include real positive and negative reviews.
This will likely be released in the next update, and users can judge how trustworthy a user is based off that.

Ratings and messages shouldn't even be considered for judging this, because all ratings are positive, and you can get them just by rolling out messages into the forums.
You never even have to make a deal.

It's an absurd system, yet everyone uses it because it's most convenient, there's no easier option, and everyone wants easy.
Well with the new trade review system, we'll have a more accurate and easily accessible number for determining trustworthiness than this useless and pointless message/rating totals system that's been plaguing MCM with illegitimate values since the beginning.
We should get rid of it now.
The longer it's here, the more users get used to it and use it for determining things that are completely irrelevant to what they really represent.

It's clear the majority of people oppose you - especially long-term veterans of the website who are the backbone and lifeblood of this site. The only people who agree with you are new members and people who have low ratings/messages - or otherwise people who just don't really care.

If this change is made it is clear that it would be against the interests of the majority. Nearly 50 people have voted against you.

like elsa, it's time to just let it go xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
 

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Why are you upset then? You're getting what you want because they're adding a trading system. What's the reasoning for removing ratings now?
Do I have to restate everything in every reply?
I've already explained this.

It's clear the majority of people oppose you - especially long-term veterans of the website who are the backbone and lifeblood of this site. The only people who agree with you are new members and people who have low ratings/messages - or otherwise people who just don't really care.

If this change is made it is clear that it would be against the interests of the majority. Nearly 50 people have voted against you.

like elsa, it's time to just let it go xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
The vote has been drifting between 50% - 60% people disagreeing.
Not that far off from a tie.
It's clear to me that a majority of the votes were made by people who want their ratings on display without thinking of the consequences.
I'll be personally messaging every one and explaining the situation fully, to ensure they understand what they're voting against, and so I know why they're voting against it.
I have no doubt that anyone who's willing to give it serious thought can see that the totals are doing more harm than good to the site.
After talking to the blind votes, the poll is sure to change.
 

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Do I have to restate everything in every reply?
I've already explained this.


The vote has been drifting between 50% - 60% people disagreeing.
Not that far off from a tie.
It's clear to me that a majority of the votes were made by people who want their ratings on display without thinking of the consequences.
I'll be personally messaging every one and explaining the situation fully, to ensure they understand what they're voting against, and so I know why they're voting against it.
I have no doubt that anyone who's willing to give it serious thought can see that the totals are doing more harm than good to the site.
After talking to the blind votes, the poll is sure to change.

You're talking down to members and implying that they aren't mature enough to read the thread title, read your post, and make their own decision about things. You are treating everyone here as if they are an idiot.

Which is no surprise considering your personality. :)

But you should really just drop this. If this actually comes to pass I will do everything in my power to have it undone. All this would accomplish would be pissing lots of people off and there's no reason to do that when this site is already on a downward spiral, hemorrhaging members left and right and losing many of the site's old stalwarts. Doing this will drive members who have been here for a long time and who have established high rating and post accounts away from the site - just like many of the other decisions staff have made lately. This may seem unimportant and stupid - but if you really think that then just leave it be. It's important to a lot of people.

Do you really think that taking away ratings/post count is worth driving even a SINGLE member away from the site? Because I'll tell you right now, Justis, Monty and I already have lost most of our interest in this website because of many of the changes and alterations made to this site since Mick took over and this would be just the latest bullshit and useless change made in a long list of bullshit and useless changes. It'll be the end.

You don't even really seem to actually use the forum on this site. What is it exactly that you do here? Do you have a business? I don't understand. It seems like you just come here to make suggestions and suck up to staff. That's all you've been doing for months and it finally worked and you got staff and now you're probably just pushing for this because Rocket and Bosny told you to push for it. I don't see why else you'd be trying this hard to piss everybody off over something so minor.

The people on this forum like ratings, and they like having their post count displayed. People everywhere like having things to work towards and accomplish, and having ratings *does* encourage people being active and contributing to the forum in some way or another. Almost every single modern Minecraft related forum out there has ratings and post-count.

You haven't given one genuinely useful reason for removing ratings or post-count from the website. Your points have continuously been refuted. All you are doing is trying to push something nobody wants and I can tell you that it will backfire on both you and this website hard.

If you actually send PM's to people harassing them in order to get them to change their vote then I will do the same in the opposite direction. I think that should be disallowed, however, as it is blatantly influencing the vote and I think that is corrupt and disgusting behavior for a staff member of MCM.

Just drop it, Justis. I know that goes against your personality but you won't win this one. I won't let you.
 

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nara~kavi, I can feel the passion in your words, and I can tell that you truly believe in what your fighting for.
But know that I believe in what I'm fighting for just as deeply; and will fight just as hard.
You may not understand it, but that's okay.
People have never been great at understanding one another.

You and I both want the best for MCM.
We just have different ideas of which is the best path to take; and different methods of getting us there.
Whatever the results of this poll may be, I know you and I are both hoping for the same result.
That the right decision is made.

I'll not be debating with you any more on this thread, it's pointless. You're not wanting to be convinced.
You're sure in your resolve, and I respect that, though I disagree wholeheartedly.

If you'd like to discuss something, anything, feel free to do so in private message with me.
I'd be happy to talk to you.

Thank you for your thoughts.
 

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nara~kavi, I can feel the passion in your words, and I can tell that you truly believe in what your fighting for.
But know that I believe in what I'm fighting for just as deeply; and will fight just as hard.
You may not understand it, but that's okay.
People have never been great at understanding one another.

You and I both want the best for MCM.
We just have different ideas of which is the best path to take; and different methods of getting us there.
Whatever the results of this poll may be, I know you and I are both hoping for the same result.
That the right decision is made.

I'll not be debating with you any more on this thread, it's pointless. You're not wanting to be convinced.
You're sure in your resolve, and I respect that, though I disagree wholeheartedly.

If you'd like to discuss something, anything, feel free to do so in private message with me.
I'd be happy to talk to you.

Thank you for your thoughts.

if you don't want to debate me anymore then that means you lose
 

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The vote has been drifting between 50% - 60% people disagreeing.
The poll is flawed. There are three options that agree with you, but only one option that doesn't.
 

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The poll is flawed. There are three options that agree with you, but only one option that doesn't.
Even so lol there are still the most votes for nothing XD
yeah it means he surrenders and is too weak to debate his points
Not at all, it is to the point where there is no more to debate, it is literally not going forward, it is like spinning your car tires in place..
 
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