Remove total Ratings or REVAMP, Keep post ratings

[Corey B]

Ratings are the downfall to everything. We all know this. The people that say "my ratings are what makes my rep" are complete idiots. Let's go over the reasons:

- Most scams = People with REP or Alts with no Rep. People that believe building rep will make them seem trustworthy is completely wrong. People have scammed in all sorts of ways, little or big rep. The people that usually scam are high rep because on your post they think more ratings would mean more trust. The people that scam know this thought process and think "That's how I will scam"

- There isn't competition. The people with high ratings will be more trusted then people with low ratings because they think a system can tell them who is and isn't trust worthy. This kind of thinking needs to go away because I don't trust users high ratings or low. I go off of my own system that has worked in the past.

Point is. You all say ratings build rep, show you're trustworthy,etc. But you're dumb if you think that a number system that is abused every single day, can say if you can be trusted or if you will scam. No one knows that. Not even you.


Post below your thoughts and opinions. Poll will be added if requested.

~Side Note: I didn't add a poll because it takes 2 seconds for someone to come here who doesn't know anything or doesn't care, and hits the button everyone else does. IF you care, you will speak your reason and debate it.

 

[Corey B]

Yeh, I can vouch for what you said. Skill might have scammed you and others have scammed as well but skill is still legit and pretty sure he scammed you because of your attitude towards him, I don't even know if he actually scammed so I'll look into that.

This is a good point actually. I've talked with Skill and he's a good person. You piss off others or do things in shoutbox or try to get people in trouble all the time--no wonder you got scammed. I have more morals, he didn't though. I've been scammed by 3 members from here, who do deals with others fine. Their response was "I don't like you" And that's another issue itself. People scam others and find it worth it when they hit a peak. montyburly nara~kavi You always try to test that peak with me and anyone else that goes against you.

What can you say about this? True or false.

 

[Synth]

-1

Maybe they should be explained that they aren't rep, but I like the rating system.

Removing something people actually work to get is low. I don't agree but we could make it clear that ratings doesn't mean you are trustworthy, but instead the new rep thing.

 

[BuildNIX]

-1

Maybe they should be explained that they aren't rep, but I like the rating system.

Removing something people actually work to get is low. I don't agree but we could make it clear that ratings doesn't mean you are trustworthy, but instead the new rep thing.

Yes exactly, If we can revamp the rating system, Like they currently did with the feedback system it looks good now because you had to have a transaction with the person. It's the same thing just less of a hassle and staff members can find out faster who's rate boosting, and it would mean everyone had to be treated equally. because at the moment this reputation system is crap and everyone likes any little thing for anything. As I can show I can get 30 ratings in a day but making debatable threads. And would that mean I am trusted?

 

[nara~kavi]

Yeh, I can vouch for what you said. Skill might have scammed you and others have scammed as well but skill is still legit and pretty sure he scammed you because of your attitude towards him, I don't even know if he actually scammed so I'll look into that. Thing is he still deals with half mcm

Skill scammed us for $100+, and has scammed several other members on this site. He had a history of scamming and abusing the rules of the site, and like *any other* member he deserved to be banned for breaking the rules to extreme degree. Anyone who has scammed on this site in the past deserves to be permanently banned for it, and in my opinion that's the end of the story. Skill has admitted to scamming in the past - so that's the end of the story.

This is a good point actually. I've talked with Skill and he's a good person. You piss off others or do things in shoutbox or try to get people in trouble all the time--no wonder you got scammed. I have more morals, he didn't though. I've been scammed by 3 members from here, who do deals with others fine. Their response was "I don't like you" And that's another issue itself. People scam others and find it worth it when they hit a peak. montyburly nara~kavi You always try to test that peak with me and anyone else that goes against you.

What can you say about this? True or false.

I don't understand, are you threatening to scam us? lol

This has nothing to do with the thread and it is clear that you have zero ability to actually debate why you think removing ratings would be a good idea since you've completely ignored all of my points and gone on some rant about something else.

Yes exactly, If we can revamp the rating system, Like they currently did with the feedback system it looks good now because you had to have a transaction with the person. It's the same thing just less of a hassle and staff members can find out faster who's rate boosting, and it would mean everyone had to be treated equally. because at the moment this reputation system is crap and everyone likes any little thing for anything. As I can show I can get 30 ratings in a day but making debatable threads. And would that mean I am trusted?

If you can get 30 ratings in a day, then why do you only have 50 total?

 

[BuildNIX]

Skill scammed us for $100+, and has scammed several other members on this site. He had a history of scamming and abusing the rules of the site, and like *any other* member he deserved to be banned for breaking the rules to extreme degree. Anyone who has scammed on this site in the past deserves to be permanently banned for it, and in my opinion that's the end of the story. Skill has admitted to scamming in the past - so that's the end of the story.



I don't understand, are you threatening to scam us? lol

This has nothing to do with the thread and it is clear that you have zero ability to actually debate why you think removing ratings would be a good idea since you've completely ignored all of my points and gone on some rant about something else.



If you can get 30 ratings in a day, then why do you only have 50 total?

I don't see who's threatening who here. But I can clearly admit this "Reputation System" is useless because people like a post for anything you make or say, If you debatable threads as this one, you'll be able to boost your reputation in the air. Firstly I think it is a very good reason to remove it, because I believe that the "Feedback System" makes up for this uselessness and the arguments would stop and no one would feel better then anyone, You'd just prove yourself as a legit business man/female, And for people who you done past business with can give you a "Positive, Negative" either way so I don't see a problem, It's the same exact thing just more accurate because this goes of "Likes" and most of the likes people get are from arguments here, so in order to fix that we need to implement a new system like the feedback system. and it would solve a lot issues. If you're well known on this forums because you were on here for a very long time you'll stay popular because people won't forget who you are in a day. especially you nara~kavi.

PS. nara~kavi I don't care about reputation points like you do, That's why I don't need them they're useless for me because I can prove myself trustworthy in other ways, then showing someone statics of numbers.

 

[montyburly]

This is a good point actually. I've talked with Skill and he's a good person. You piss off others or do things in shoutbox or try to get people in trouble all the time--no wonder you got scammed. I have more morals, he didn't though. I've been scammed by 3 members from here, who do deals with others fine. Their response was "I don't like you" And that's another issue itself. People scam others and find it worth it when they hit a peak. montyburly nara~kavi You always try to test that peak with me and anyone else that goes against you.

What can you say about this? True or false.

I'm not really sure what you're implying or what your point is here. Are you suggesting you'd scam us because you dislike us?

This entire post makes no sense. If ratings were the "downfall of everything" this site never would have gained popularity because ratings have been here from the start. Losing ratings would probably be the downfall of everything, as you saw what happened yesterday when they were removed for 10 minutes. I can probably count the amount of people who want ratings completely removed on one hand. The overwhelming majority of members on this site like ratings and want them to stay.

Your first point about high rep members being most likely to scam is statistically false. You can't argue with it. It's false. It's simple logic and fact that a new member is more likely to scam than a veteran of the site. Nara already explained this in her post, though, and I'm not going to repeat it because I'm sure you won't read it or understand the basic logic in it anyway.

Disregarding the whole logic and statistical facts regarding this (even though that's all that matters), your opinion should not affect the way everyone here does business. It is nobody else's business or right to meddle with the way other people conduct their transactions. If I want to trust people based on ratings, then I can trust people based on ratings. That does not affect you in any way whatsoever. If you don't want to trust people based on ratings, then don't trust people based on ratings. That does not affect me in any way whatsoever. We can agree to disagree.

There's no reason ratings should be removed because a couple of people don't agree that they're a fair way to determine trust. Why does it matter to you the way other people determine if someone can be trusted?

 

[Synth]

I'm not really sure what you're implying or what your point is here. Are you suggesting you'd scam us because you dislike us?

This entire post makes no sense. If ratings were the "downfall of everything" this site never would have gained popularity because ratings have been here from the start. Losing ratings would probably be the downfall of everything, as you saw what happened yesterday when they were removed for 10 minutes. I can probably count the amount of people who want ratings completely removed on one hand. The overwhelming majority of members on this site like ratings and want them to stay.

Your first point about high rep members being most likely to scam is statistically false. You can't argue with it. It's false. It's simple logic and fact that a new member is more likely to scam than a veteran of the site. Nara already explained this in her post, though, and I'm not going to repeat it because I'm sure you won't read it or understand the basic logic in it anyway.

Disregarding the whole logic and statistical facts regarding this (even though that's all that matters), your opinion should not affect the way everyone here does business. It is nobody else's business or right to meddle with the way other people conduct their transactions. If I want to trust people based on ratings, then I can trust people based on ratings. That does not affect you in any way whatsoever. If you don't want to trust people based on ratings, then don't trust people based on ratings. That does not affect me in any way whatsoever. We can agree to disagree.

There's no reason ratings should be removed because a couple of people don't agree that they're a fair way to determine trust. Why does it matter to you the way other people determine if someone can be trusted?

Rate boosting is one of the reasons they don't like the ratings, but that could be solved

I agree that we should keep ratings, but maybe put a note on the profile where ratings are that says "Ratings do not determine reputation, check <rep link> for other people's experiences with this user".

 

[Dannyj]

+1 totally agree!
People are taking ratings too serious.

 

[Renovix]

I don't really see the problem with keeping things as they are at the current time. I know there is always place for improvement, but I am rather happy with the way MCM is running right now. The ratings should not be changed at all in my opinion. Lets see where this suggestion goes.

 

[Corey B]

I don't really see the problem with keeping things as they are at the current time. I know there is always place for improvement, but I am rather happy with the way MCM is running right now. The ratings should not be changed at all in my opinion. Lets see where this suggestion goes.

I've thought of a new idea that might be better than feedback and the trading system. Making new thread and trashing possibly this one.

 

[Sloth]

Alright all business aside, as ratings don't count towards reputation and should be meaningless in a transaction. I believe that the ratings are here as a means of telling a users personality. When you look at my profile you see I am an agreeable person. Others will be stronger in other categories. The ratings also provide the community to express their mood/feelings towards a post without actually having to post. I don't see the harm in this. Could it be revamped? Yes, should it be removed? No.