Reputation Removal

[U130477]

Literally, it's so stupid this new Reputation thing, staff have going. I know you want a legitmate reputation system but coming down with your almighty hammer on people who have grown their reputation through many deals and work ethic is one way to kill MCMARKET, listen to your Community, please.

For Example. Some of my Reputations made from a year ago and have no proof, nor do i have anyway to get proof due to the fact. People change discord names. i do it weekly/monthly.
Thus meaning, i can't get proof because, i don't know their name to obtain record of proof, nor have psychic powers to guess their name.

A New Member could literally Troll me and report all my reputations, before they implemented this system for proof and i would only have like 15 Rep left. I swear, this is going to make people who grinded through the reps with deals, wanna leave this marketing platform.

EDIT
They should apply ground rules like this.

- Only applys to reputations given when, proof uploading was implemented
- Only 10+ Rep Members can report reputations ( Avoid New Members )
- Given a reasonable time to get the rep sorted (48 Hours, simply not enough)
- Cases should only be taken into consideration, if its been reported and has valid reasoning other than, no proof / unless its something to do with a big deal

 

[U130477]

Anymore, Ideas. Let me know below and i'll add it to the thread, so the MCM staff can review the thread as a whole communitys voice.

 

[Justis]

Before we implemented the dispute system, if someone reported your feedback, it would be investigated similarly to now, but manually, and if you couldn’t prove it, it would be removed. That part’s no different. Obviously we couldn’t allow baseless claims/accusations to be considered legitimate feedback. That was never an option.

The new automated system merely makes the process significantly more efficient for our moderators so that reports aren’t seen to months later, and also allows you to upload your proof to the feedback itself so that it isn’t lost to time.

The flaws with the old system have resulted in feedback that people can’t prove, and unfortunately, those will have always end up deleted. I can’t say for certain that it wouldn’t have been better for us to simply not have a reputation system available to our community until uploadable evidence and an automated dispute process had been implemented. However, we can at least ensure that it doesn’t continue to be a problem for feedback authored after the necessary update was made.

 

[Samuel]

There is no benefit to removing reputation that doesn't have proof if it's not negative impacting someone and was made before the proof was required. If my old rep meeting that description for removed, I'd simply stop trading on here.

You really can't implement something and expect history to rewrite itself for you, especially when some of the characters from history have gone away (quit the site).

 

[Niteburn]

People act like life depends on your mcm reputation. Quit bitching.

 

[jxhdvn]

People act like life depends on your mcm reputation. Quit bitching.

You only have 9 reputation and do not come off as someone that’s trusted in the community despite their low rep such as say BeBosny, I do not think you understand why this is a problem

Before we implemented the dispute system, if someone reported your feedback, it would be investigated similarly to now, but manually, and if you couldn’t prove it, it would be removed. That part’s no different. Obviously we couldn’t allow baseless claims/accusations to be considered legitimate feedback. That was never an option.

The new automated system merely makes the process significantly more efficient for our moderators so that reports aren’t seen to months later, and also allows you to upload your proof to the feedback itself so that it isn’t lost to time.

The flaws with the old system have resulted in feedback that people can’t prove, and unfortunately, those will have always end up deleted. I can’t say for certain that it wouldn’t have been better for us to simply not have a reputation system available to our community until uploadable evidence and an automated dispute process had been implemented. However, we can at least ensure that it doesn’t continue to be a problem for feedback authored after the necessary update was made.

So that justifies purging reputation from before this update? You could delete like half of the reputation on this website. Banned members could make a new account just to report all of my rep and screw me over. Is that really a good solution.. and you also expect people to have proof of such reputation they received maybe 1 year to like 3 years ago before this update. That’s absurd, I bet I could go to your profile and dig up a reputation that you don’t have proof up. You’re making things inconvenient for no reason, and it seems like you’ve just now started doing this rather than when the update was put in place

 

[Niteburn]

You only have 9 reputation and do not come off as someone that’s trusted in the community despite their low rep such as say BeBosny, I do not think you understand why this is a problem

I don't have a lot of reputation because for what I do on MCM. I only use MCM for two reasons. One is to get stuff for my network and to browse and talk when I'm bored (right now). I've spent a shit load on my network in the last 5 months, with it being spread across between usually 5-6 people (developers, builders, etc.)

Some of the people who are on my network team are also banned from MCM, but I would honestly trust them more than anyone on this website. Everyone on here is out to build their "minecraft resume" and flex on everyone else.

EDIT: Also to point out, I looked at your profile and I had 9 reputations compared to your 47 reputations. But you have only been vouched for spending ~$150 total while I've spent ~$1000. I would go to say that my reputations honestly hold more wait than yours, since most of them is for your "services" while I don't offer any services.

 

[Zyger]

The flaws with the old system have resulted in feedback that people can’t prove, and unfortunately, those will have always end up deleted.

What do you mean always? Are they deleted now without even asking for evidence?

 

[Orca]

How do I post a thread?

 

[U130477]

Before we implemented the dispute system, if someone reported your feedback, it would be investigated similarly to now, but manually, and if you couldn’t prove it, it would be removed. That part’s no different. Obviously we couldn’t allow baseless claims/accusations to be considered legitimate feedback. That was never an option.

The new automated system merely makes the process significantly more efficient for our moderators so that reports aren’t seen to months later, and also allows you to upload your proof to the feedback itself so that it isn’t lost to time.

The flaws with the old system have resulted in feedback that people can’t prove, and unfortunately, those will have always end up deleted. I can’t say for certain that it wouldn’t have been better for us to simply not have a reputation system available to our community until uploadable evidence and an automated dispute process had been implemented. However, we can at least ensure that it doesn’t continue to be a problem for feedback authored after the necessary update was made.

Literally, you clearly dont understand. When it comes to a dispute, sometimes evidence isnt even sufficient because its based off the moderators opinion on the Proof.

If they deny your proof, they should be ready to answer when we ask, in what form, would you class as proof then?
How do you expect us to get the proof?
`Goto chatllogs` they say, how? this was a year ago.
Also not calling anyone out, but when Harrison told me, ` Telling you who reported you, wont help this case` is complete bullshit, due to the fact, that person who reported the reputation may have had a bad past and wants revenge, but you `staff` wont know that would you...

Literally considering, taking my dealings elsewhere. i don't have the mental capacity to lend time to this new system in finding out evidence for reputations made a year ago,, whats even worse is. I work full time but im given 48 Hours. Okay. . . Great

 

[jxhdvn]

I don't have a lot of reputation because for what I do on MCM. I only use MCM for two reasons. One is to get stuff for my network and to browse and talk when I'm bored (right now). I've spent a shit load on my network in the last 5 months, with it being spread across between usually 5-6 people (developers, builders, etc.)

Some of the people who are on my network team are also banned from MCM, but I would honestly trust them more than anyone on this website. Everyone on here is out to build their "minecraft resume" and flex on everyone else.

EDIT: Also to point out, I looked at your profile and I had 9 reputations compared to your 47 reputations. But you have only been vouched for spending ~$150 total while I've spent ~$1000. I would go to say that my reputations honestly hold more wait than yours, since most of them is for your "services" while I don't offer any services.

Actually $250 here but I don’t spend here consistently. If your reputation is more valuable then mine then you should understand why this is such a problem. You did join March of this year when the rep update was implemented, so I don’t think you would necessarily relate to this

You said you spent over $1000. Imagine if your spent $1000 and more on your network about 2 years ago instead of this year, and got reputation for that. They can remove that at the snap of fingers and make it seem like you never dealt with said person to others in the first place, and never dealt with upwards of $1000. They also expect you to still have proof of that transaction and have contact with said person. Do you at least understand where we are coming from here.

 

[Kuzni]

I've been told that if I want to keep my negative reputation against someone, I have to provide proof from a thread that was wiped clean a year ago...

 

[Cabal]

This system is bullshit. Regular members with absolutely no hand in deals made between you or another party should not be able to report/question the legitimacy of said deal. I've had to deal with, I believe, three of these reports now. And it's seriously pissing me off.
Instead of dealing with actual issues on this forum *cough* scam reports *cough* we have staff members trolling through reps made BEFORE the proof system saying they'll be removed? The fuck?
Who thought this was a good idea?

 

[Joshua C]

Ffs, had like 8 reports today and found out I got 8 of my reps removed as the users were banned which is bull shit.

Dealing when the user was okay to deal with and earned yourself a "deal" is something, just because they're banned doesn't mean they didn't did business.

 

[Mick]

At the moment I'm going through a number of suggestions, and a lot of them were created regarding the reputation updates that we published and later rescinded. We now have a system where we consider some reputation to be 'legacy' and that reputation does not count toward reputation totals, and overall I feel like now a lot of people are satisfied with this system.

There were a tonne of suggestion threads created during this time, all with very valid criticism of our updates, and I believe that the reputation system we have now is even better because of that so thank you for that.

I'll move this to denied now, along with the rest of the suggestions made on this topic at this time, thank you.