resell rights by default

[StrafeZ]

Hi, I wanted peoples opinions. Personally I think that resell rights should come with something by default.
When I pay for a plugin, or for Art, I'm paying for a product, I'm not renting it out. Why should I have to ask or even pay before I can sell something that I have paid for and is rightly mine?

Doesn't make sense and just seems to be a money grab tbh.
My personal opinion.

 

[hgbf]

If it is exclusive, I fully agree. For non-exclusives, I believe they should be able to be sold together with the project they were bought for (e.g. a server), but not be used for anything else.

 

[Random_]

Deleted this comment cause from looking closer at this argument I am more stuck on the fence rn so idk, partially agree and partially don't. Probably gonna edit this later on when I get more time to think on it

 

[Sparko]

I agree with you. I think one of the reasons why some people are against it is because they don't want someone to resell their hard work, specially at a higher price.

 

[Dessi]

From someone who runs a development company, generally in the development market at least we have an acceptable use policy. So say that you sell your Minecraft server we and most other developers (at least that I have seen) are okay with you selling the custom made plugins on that server. The only time there is an issue is if you sell the plugin outside of the server for personal gain. That is generally where resell rights come into play.

 

[Kuchy]

Think about it this way...

Let's say we have Bob and Gregory. Bob is wanting to buy one of Gregory's plugins. Gregory worked hard on said plugin and is appreciative that customers are rolling in. Bob pays Gregory and the deal went smoothly. 3 days later, Bob is wanting to share Gregory's plugin to other people. Bob is now making money off of something Gregory worked long and hard for and isn't even sending the money to Gregory. This is an example of a nonexclusive product being redistributed, like a resource. You do not gain rights to redistribute the plugin nor do you own it. For resources, you own a license to use product, one in which a resource author can revoke at any time, whether it's free or not. Nonexclusive products are sold with usage rights, not ownership, redistribution, or reselling rights. These usage rights cannot be revoked unless terms of use were violated, or a refund is provided.

In the context of exclusive products, products of this nature are sold exclusively and are unique in that they are sold along with all rights to the product. Once the transaction is complete, the receiver is the only one with any usage rights, redistribution rights, or ownership rights (rights to give, revoke, or transfer rights to others). Unless the parties agreed to a different set of terms that contradicts what I have stated, the exclusive product defaults to those terms. When you successfully pay for an exclusive product, that product becomes yours; however, if you choose to offer the product as non-exclusive, all buyers purchasing the product are given usage rights, even though the product was originally sold exclusively.

Edit: Feel free to have a look at the redistribution wiki: https://www.mc-market.org/wiki/redistribution-rights/

 

[Norska]

It's easy to think about it that way when you're not a developer/distribute your work to others or even generally sell anything at all that's "exclusive".

 

[Ally]

plugin

The development/programming area of things is the easiest to see where your argument falls down. If you read any single license by a professional company - because you don't differentiate between professional company and single body in your argument - they state you only have a license to use, and that the license can be revoked at any time. Like Adobe, for example. At no point do they state that you solely own the product, and is under your control - that's why they have a license to limit that sort of thing. On MC-Market, it's different, because no single user besides someone like Louwtjie is going to go to the trouble to write that license, edit it, modify it, critique it, refine it and that all over again. Instead we rely on the market's pre-defined policies and call it good. On GitHub and other redistribution centres, there are licenses that can be used, and are used, to do the same thing as companies do. I'd typically, for open source software, use GPL for publicly shared software. For private commissions, it's a different matter. Also, copyright. Love copyright.

Art

I'd like to see you try. The art community would absolutely blitz you.

I'm paying for a product

You're paying for a license to a product*. For example; Apple Music. You don't own the music. You own a license to the music. Same with movies, media, etc., even on a DVD/CD. You might own hard copies, but they're just that. You are the licensee.

rightly mine

Again, it's not rightly yours. It's the developer's and will always be the developer's. I'd never, for example, sell those rights. Those rights are quite valuable. And if you had any experience in the field, you would know this. Because I've had clients who eventually went on to steal my program and share it; it lost me a loooooot of money that I could be making if I was doing that.

Why should I have to ask or even pay before I can sell something that I have paid for

Because if I went and bought your product and shared it with the world on my part, you could sue me for redistribution, and you would win. Regardless of whether the commission, the copies or the works are free or not. It's ethically, morally and legally wrong and by disregarding that, I'd argue you're not a nice human being.

Doesn't make sense and just seems to be a money grab tbh.

This is the most sensible sentence I've read from your post. Well done. Well except the whole bit about it not making sense. Of course it's a money grab. Because people need money. The world isn't perfect and protection of rights and works have to start somewhere, so why not here? Then there's this whole thing called copyright and trademark, you should read up on it, bless you.

My personal opinion.

Can't be an opinion if you're advocating to infringe on copyright! And for big brain after this post, this was sarcasm ._.

 

[spread]

Ally, if I buy a exclusive plugin for $500 for my server and after some time I don't have the time to put into my server I think that I should be able to sell the whole server including the plugin since I have exclusive rights for it and thats my opinion. Besides even if it's a law or something people do have opinions on it that fact doesn't change just because you're "advocating to infringe on copyright"

 

[Norska]

Ally, if I buy a exclusive plugin for $500 for my server and after some time I don't have the time to put into my server I think that I should be able to sell the whole server including the plugin since I have exclusive rights for it and thats my opinion. Besides even if it's a law or something people do have opinions on it that fact doesn't change just because you're "advocating to infringe on copyright"

You'd have exclusive rights to use it, not redistribute it or sell it unless explicitly allowed to by the developer of the software.

 

[spread]

You'd have exclusive rights to use it, not redistribute it or sell it unless explicitly allowed to by the developer of the software.

I do know that but I still believe that you should get resell rights.

 

[Norska]

I do know that but I still believe that you should get resell rights.

You can, you just have to figure it out with the developer. It's up to them whether they'd charge extra or not.

 

[Ally]

You can, you just have to figure it out with the developer. It's up to them whether they'd charge extra or not.

THANK YOU. Important to note it's not the other way round. Full permission isn't default, you have to discuss - i.e. you need to set a license during the purchase. Which is what I tried to say.

 

[Rahul.]

For art sure, but plugins no.

 

[Norska]

For art sure, but plugins no.

How is it different?

 

[Rahul.]

How is it different?

I'm just gonna sell a server without selling the server logo or banner with it, yes. (not all types of art)

 

[Doge]

Think about it this way...

Let's say we have Bob and Gregory. Bob is wanting to buy one of Gregory's plugins. Gregory worked hard on said plugin and is appreciative that customers are rolling in. Bob pays Gregory and the deal went smoothly. 3 days later, Bob is wanting to share Gregory's plugin to other people. Bob is now making money off of something Gregory worked long and hard for and isn't even sending the money to Gregory. This is an example of a nonexclusive product being redistributed, like a resource. You do not gain rights to redistribute the plugin nor do you own it. For resources, you own a license to use product, one in which a resource author can revoke at any time, whether it's free or not. Nonexclusive products are sold with usage rights, not ownership, redistribution, or reselling rights. These usage rights cannot be revoked unless terms of use were violated, or a refund is provided.

In the context of exclusive products, products of this nature are sold exclusively and are unique in that they are sold along with all rights to the product. Once the transaction is complete, the receiver is the only one with any usage rights, redistribution rights, or ownership rights (rights to give, revoke, or transfer rights to others). Unless the parties agreed to a different set of terms that contradicts what I have stated, the exclusive product defaults to those terms. When you successfully pay for an exclusive product, that product becomes yours; however, if you choose to offer the product as non-exclusive, all buyers purchasing the product are given usage rights, even though the product was originally sold exclusively.

Edit: Feel free to have a look at the redistribution wiki: https://www.mc-market.org/wiki/redistribution-rights/

I’m glad this is the case, it just makes sense.

I can’t imagine paying someone to code something just for me, and then later down the road they’re like “you can’t sell that!!!” Like BOI you don’t have any say in what I do with MY program or whatever. I paid you money to turn my idea into code. You got the money, I got the program, end of story. Don’t want to do that? Then specify from the start that the buyer won’t actually own the program. Or go into business instead of coding.

 

[TBK]

Look at it this way.. Walk into a shop and buy something after you leave you can do whatever you want with whatever you bought its stupid its different with " online shit"

 

[Demeng]

well, even if someone is stating that you can't resell it doesn't mean u can't, it depends on what country you from.

Uhhhhhh
Pretty sure we are talking about MCM here.