Revenge Rep

[Nicholas]

Currently the reputation rules are the following:

REPUTATION SYSTEM RULES
The following rules apply to the use of the reputation system on MC-Market
  9.1 Do not give reputation which is not relevant and informative. Example: “User is dumb” or “Vouch. Cool guy”.
  9.2 Do not accuse members of scamming without linking a scam report on that member which you have started.
  9.3 Do not hint, tip, or request a specific reputation rating on yourself or another member.
  9.4 Do not use reputation as a currency, reward, or condition.
  9.5 Do not abuse the reputation report system. This means you shall not attempt to report reputation unless it violates the above rules. Reputation is otherwise handled by the community, and is there to gauge the community’s opinion of you. If someone has a negative opinion of you, and you wish to improve your reputation, it is your responsibility to improve their opinion of you and therefore your reputation via communication with the reputation author.

I Feel like Revenge rep should be added to the rules because people complain when there rep gets removed.

 

[Ivain]

The tricky bit with revenge rep is that it's often partially justifiable. Like, someone gives you neg rep for what you believe to be a bogus reason. So you give them neg rep about that neg rep being bogus.
Now, obviously, if the reputation is removed by the user its only good manners to remove yours again as well, but this would be a difficult judgement via rules.

 

[Ted]

Well, regardless I've had staff remove negative rep given to me and the user adds it back.
There should be a cool down given to the user if a negative reputation is removed by an admin.

 

[Landon]

Well, regardless I've had staff remove negative rep given to me and the user adds it back.
There should be a cool down given to the user if a negative reputation is removed by an admin.

That's the biggest issue overall. Had that happen to me multiple times, ends up getting removed again (For the most part, one time the second time I reported it they told me to improve my relation).

 

[Ted]

Lol he neg repped you again after staff took it away? he needs to get warned if he does it again. also look at his past reps lmao

People are stupid and abuse the reputation system because of how flawed it is already.
Yet nothing much is done about fixing it.

 

[Ivain]

Yes he did. 4th time now

https://www.mc-market.org/threads/293958/ Look at the image on here ^_^

What I'm wondering is why he's not suspended yet. Perhaps abuse of the reputation system is only 3 warning points and he's only had 3 warnings so far.

 

[Taiga]

Revenge rep helps avoiding pissed-off dudes from giving bullshit rep (that can easily be within the rules) by having the dude need to consider if the rep hes about to give is worth a neg rep back.

This is not a solution to the very lacking rules of the current rep system. It's better to enforce stricter rules on what kind of rep is allowed then for the mods to start researching each rep to find out if its a revenge rep or just a legit rep that was written after the other person

 

[Cal]

Revenge reps are a problem that cannot be solved. If one person gives a negative rep, it's more than likely the other user in the transaction felt the exchange was a bad one as well. A transaction needs at least 2 people to go through, they both experience the same thing which most frequently means they both found the situation poor or good.

There is no way to properly prevent revenge reps without conversations being required when posting reps.

 

[PandaPlaysAll]

Revenge rep isn't a problem. You just have dumb children on this site who feels the need false rep users so you negative rep them back for giving you false rep. It's funny because the same people who false rep are the same people who PM you regarding for it to be removed and apologizing. The rep system is fucked but who cares. It's just a kiddie Minecraft forum.

It's quite annoying however, because If you get false neg rep then those who you deal with just see you as sketchy due to the neg rep hence harder to make deals. But I agree It shouldn't really be a problem, as long as those who make petty revenge rep gets bannable, but in most cases I've been in those who neg rep normally have justification. So it is a hard topic

 

[Cal]

Revenge rep isn't a problem. You just have dumb children on this site who feels the need false rep users so you negative rep them back for giving you false rep. It's funny because the same people who false rep are the same people who PM you regarding for it to be removed and apologizing. The rep system is fucked but who cares. It's just a kiddie Minecraft forum. I negative repped a guy for threatening me and talking mess and he gave me revenge but do I care? No. Did I bother to get it removed? No!

Well. I can only speak for myself. These two negative reps aren't affecting my money coming in so IDRC. Most of my clients come from Discord and people who recommend me to their friends who I've done a number of stuff for so this platform isn't where I make most of my money from. One is bogus because the guy revenge repped me after I gave him a negative rep and the other one isn't and is probably what I deserved but it's whatever at the end of the day. I'm not complaining. This is just a kiddie forum at the end of the day.

That argument is very childish, this isn't about one person it is about the whole. Yes, for you it may not effect you as much as you are an older member on the site, however new members to the site will have a much harder time overcoming the negative rep and getting commissions. Also, the argument you presented of "oh it's just a block game forum so it doesn't matter" is completely irrelevant. If you don't think it matters because it is a forum about a game you deemed immature then so be it, that doesn't take away from the fact that as I like to repeat "everything is relative". To you, it may be just a forum you sometimes go on to make a quick buck, but to many this is a passion. If you dismiss everything as "oh it doesn't matter because it is a block game forum" then nothing will ever progress. People care about this site even if you don't agree. If you don't care about the site then you don't have to contribute the suggestions section.

 

[Flipora]

That argument is very childish, this isn't about one person it is about the whole. Yes, for you it may not effect you as much as you are an older member on the site, however new members to the site will have a much harder time overcoming the negative rep and getting commissions. Also, the argument you presented of "oh it's just a block game forum so it doesn't matter" is completely irrelevant. If you don't think it matters because it is a forum about a game you deemed immature then so be it, that doesn't take away from the fact that as I like to repeat "everything is relative". To you, it may be just a forum you sometimes go on to make a quick buck, but to many this is a passion. If you dismiss everything as "oh it doesn't matter because it is a block game forum" then nothing will ever progress. People care about this site even if you don't agree. If you don't care about the site then you don't have to contribute the suggestions section.

I don't know what you're on about with this "it's not the person it's the whole" thing but a lot of the time there isn't a deal being done that is the reason for a negative rep and so many more reasons. Sometimes, there is only one person doing bad things in a deal I don't know what you're saying it's always two.

And to those people who say it should require a deal thread, I disagree because people leave reputation for different reason than deals sometimes. I think the system is fine except for the part where they can just put rep back after being removed by an admin.[DOUBLEPOST=1516239538][/DOUBLEPOST]Cal, I would love if you would elaborate on why you disagree.

 

[Nicholas]

Mick why do you disagree?

 

[Sentencings]

In my honest opinion, Revenge reps will stay just people will find new ways on how to do it for example this happened to me a couple months ago (yes I don't really look at this market a lot anymore);

Some guy was being extremely unprofessional, threatening, harassing etc, I neg repped him with enough proof and it stayed then he neg repped me saying with this rep; "User negative repped me" obv I reported it and it was taken down, however, after just a couple hours he then neg repped me again making up stuff and it was something like this; "User harrased me spammed me" etc.... when I clearly didn't. That time the rep wasn't removed and then he contacted me being all like "oh if u dont remove ur rep ima leave urs there"