Scam Reports: Only for on-site deals.

[Samuel]

I'm ready for the influx of disagree ratings here. My butthole is prepared.

To encourage users to deal safer, I think it would be a not-so-bad idea to require deals to use on-site features and nothing else in order to be covered via the scam report section.

Essentially, anything that is not completely an MCM-based deal, it's up to the user to protect themselves. Not MCM scam reports.

The reason I recommend this is because:

• Less risk. You know who you're dealing with, their username is right there.
• Encourages users to check reputation.
• Easier for scam report staff to investigate (IP checks, PMs, etc.).

"BUT SKYPE/DISCORD/TEXT MESSAGING IS WAYYYYYYYYYYY FASTER!!!!"

Sure. I completely agree. For this reason, I want to clarify on what I mean by "completely an MCM-based deal". This does not mean discussing the details. This just means that anything that must be agreed upon should be put into a PM.

I could PM Justis and offer to buy their hair. They would then add me on Skype where we could discuss details such as "Do you want any of it cut?" - then I would screenshot those discussion sections into a PM.

The PM would show the entire deal. Final agreements & payment information must be sent through the PM system in order for a scam report to be handled by staff.

Edit: this would not affect deals made before the rule is put in place, obviously. That would be silly.

 

[Skylord]

--Semi Off Topic--

Can we just take a moment to appreciate beauty in that picture?

 

[Marth]

i can scam offsite now!

 

[Samuel]

How does Justis feel about this?

rich and accomplished probably[DOUBLEPOST=1486695592][/DOUBLEPOST]

i can scam offsite now!

Hey, it's at their own risk if they aren't dealing with you via PM. \_o_/

 

[Shattered]

I can see all of the scammers pushing deals offsite with your little suggestion... and then using the excuse 'it was offsite' on all of the scam reports created against them.

 

[Samuel]

I can see all of the scammers pushing deals offsite with your little suggestion... and then using the excuse 'it was offsite' on all of the scam reports created against them.

If they admit to it, they'd get banned anyway.

 

[TedMosby]

"skemmed noob" LOL so if the scammers get u offsite then whey will just going to scam everyone saying "only offsite deals n shit "

like why there is a problem of reporting a scammer if u got scammed off site

 

[Samuel]

"skemmed noob" LOL so if the scammers get u offsite then whey will just going to scam everyone saying "only offsite deals n shit "

like why there is a problem of reporting a scammer if u got scammed off site

It's hard to prove that the person who you dealt with was the person you thought it was

 

[Fire]

Some will agree, some disagree but I feel if a user scams on site, off site or irl its all the same and should be banned.

If someone is perfectly fine scamming people offsite then they obviously don't see anything wrong in scamming. Therefor would be highly likely to consider and even go through with an exit scam on MCM. Therefor should be banned before they do so. But that's just my opinion.



On a side note. How sober where you, when creating that image and thread?

 

[Mick]

Samuel, I completely agree with you here, I'm almost happy I unbanned you from suggestions!

This was an idea that I toyed around with a few months back but eventually, after discussing it with the staff, we decided against it due to people being able to scam whatever they like as long as it is off-site. Ideally we would be able to get the PM system reworked to be similar to skype, where you can simply press the enter key in order to send your messages to make it seem like a much more fluent conversation rather than emails.

Find the spoiler below for an example of what I'm talking about:

Spoiler: Conversation with Glove

(this conversation did actually happen, Glove can confirm it for us)

It would take a bit of getting used to for sure, but if everyone could learn that deals had to be done on-site I'm certain that it will not only make M6Gaming's job easier, but also minimise the amount of scams that can happen.

 

[Mick]

I agree with Samuel and Mick but off site deals should still happen but it isn't MCM's responsibility what happens there, if you're scammed it's your own fault, yes you should be able to open a scam report but you yourself should get warning points for "dealing off site", not a lot like 5 which expire in like 3 months

That kinda defeats the purpose of it in my eyes. I feel we have to go all-in on this and only allow people to make one if they did the deal on site

 

[Fire]

Samuel, I completely agree with you here, I'm almost happy I unbanned you from suggestions!

This was an idea that I toyed around with a few months back but eventually, after discussing it with the staff, we decided against it due to people being able to scam whatever they like as long as it is off-site. Ideally we would be able to get the PM system reworked to be similar to skype, where you can simply press the enter key in order to send your messages to make it seem like a much more fluent conversation rather than emails.

Find the spoiler below for an example of what I'm talking about:

Spoiler: Conversation with Glove

(this conversation did actually happen, Glove can confirm it for us)

It would take a bit of getting used to for sure, but if everyone could learn that deals had to be done on-site I'm certain that it will not only make M6Gaming's job easier, but also minimise the amount of scams that can happen.

The only down side I see to a built in easy to use system like that, is accessibility.

If someone needs me, if I have them on skype they can message me any time, and I will see the message (providing I'm awake) since my phone will notify me with a subtle beep.

If the deal is done though MCM however, I will only receive messages when I'm on MCM. Which quite often I'm just on my phone. (When I'm out, at college etc)

If you do decide to add something like that, it would be great, however add support for something like PushBullet (https://docs.pushbullet.com/) that way those that do need people to reply to message as soon as they can. Will be able to setup PushBullet on their own device, therefor receive notifications every time they get a message.

That been said though, I still stand by my previous comment. "If someone is perfectly fine scamming people offsite then they obviously don't see anything wrong in scamming. Therefor would be highly likely to consider and even go through with an exit scam on MCM." I kind of feel letting people off, just because they didn't use PM is a bit risky.

 

[Mick]

But the issue with that, is that user X can scam user Y, Z amounts of time off site and he won't be banned.

Yes, and Y really should have only done deals on site and understood that you may only make a scam report if it is onsite.

Also making this step could be the first one towards MCM expanding in the future in to more than a way to connect people, but also could even be an escrow for the deals done on site, but obviously that wouldn't be until the far future.

 

[Fire]

Yes, and Y really should have only done deals on site and understood that you may only make a scam report if it is onsite.

Also making this step could be the first one towards MCM expanding in the future in to more than a way to connect people, but also could even be an escrow for the deals done on site, but obviously that wouldn't be until the far future.

I know you are likely sick of me nagging about downtime. But its a fair problem with this system. What if I'm in the middle of doing a deal with someone. Then the forum goes down randomly for several hours, like last night. By the time its fixed, I could be asleep. Which would make the buyer a bit worried if they had just paid me $200 for an OG. Skype currently seems to be more reliable. Things like that would be a great thing to add, but until a few core problems are rectified, it wouldn't work too well.

 

[Shattered]

Yes, and Y really should have only done deals on site and understood that you may only make a scam report if it is onsite.

Also making this step could be the first one towards MCM expanding in the future in to more than a way to connect people, but also could even be an escrow for the deals done on site, but obviously that wouldn't be until the far future.

A user on MCM can be luring users off of the site to do a deal, and then use the excuse 'it was offsite' and saying he has nothing to do with it.

I think all scamming should have a scam report, even if it wasn't on site, or doesn't contain enough proof. This keeps records of all incidents.

If someone is perfectly fine scamming people offsite then they obviously don't see anything wrong in scamming. Therefor would be highly likely to consider and even go through with an exit scam on MCM. Therefor should be banned before they do so. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Fire]

From what I've in scam reports, M6 takes skype screenshots as sufficient proof of a conversation / deal. Its incredibly rare anyone claims its all fake. Which a quick screenshare would prove otherwise. Messages sent over MCM aren't a great deal more credible than skype. So I don't see how limiting it to just onsite messages would make resolving scam reports easier. Most arguments over scam reports, are because someone hasn't paid or what has been delivered don't work / is of poor quality. Its rare the evidence its self is disputed.