seller makes a safe Deposit to mc-market

[Lehend]

the option for a seller to make a safetly deposit to mc-market for the price of the Bin and it will be release if the purchase is canceled or completed.
so it can be optional like the seller when he or she choose this method it will add some tag that purchase is safetly by mc-market, if the seller scams... the seller lose the deposit wich is the bin and it can be returned to the buyer, and if the deal go thru the seller recover the deposit and the money of the sale. a lot of buyers could want to go with sellers that offer this protection

the seller and the buyer will need to set the email of their paypal so there could be a proof if the transaction go thru correctly xD

 

[Justis]

I like the idea of us having our own credit system, which we can manage according to our own scam reports. There'd be so much control options open to us that way, allowing us to remove scamming as we see it.
However, apparently it's expensive to legally offer credit exchangeable with other currencies.
There's also the expense of implementation, and until we get a way to protect MC-Market from them, the threat of chargebacks.

Right now, I don't see this as an option, and I don't particularly like the way you're suggesting we go about it. The suggestion itself is rather limited in uses, and doesn't feel well thought out.
It's appreciated, nonetheless.

 

[Lehend]

well the best ideas are talking about options, is hard to come out with a good idea as the first one, is matter of talking about it, like ideas rain... I actualy like your idea mostly than mine and sure I have not though about the legal stuff and the cost of that... I will have that in mind if I have another idea.
is there a way that can be a section with paypal emails scammers? when the well known scammers email are exposed?
you may now better if its a good or bad idea, legaly and also if its not limiting the users and all that... well thanks..
also I post a possible solution for the topic ot the www.mc-market.com the 301 error I see you post there, you may give it a try
if you already try that I appology for being smart hehehe I dont tryin to act like a silly genius but It may fix it xD

 

[Ivain]

@Justis I dislike the idea of McM using its own credit system in the first place.
1. It would add a lot of legal liability to the site
2. I do not trust Mcmarket with money I make in that way. It's not that I do not trust the individuals involved (though I wouldnt trust them THAT far regardless), but a credit system, apart from the financial burden, would also require a highly efficient administration and handling to function properly. And that's not even approaching things like security. Xenforo itself is reasonably secure, so this forum won't have trouble. Setting up a credit-system for actual currency, however, is not something I believe Xenforo is made for or has options for. So it would require custom development. Ignoring the financial cost, setting up a system like that and making it secure so that outsiders cannot tamper with it or abuse it is far more difficult than it may seem.
Look at Paypal. They've had more than 2 decades to develop their system, and it's still sometimes buggy and weak to some types of abuse. Considering the type of people that this site inevitably attracts, a lot of abuse would happen in any system that is not completely watertight.

 

[Lehend]

well lets put it some head to see with what can come up with xD

 

[peh]

I think dedicated staff middlemen would be a better idea

 

[Ivain]

I think dedicated staff middlemen would be a better idea

Definitely not. Same problem with liability, and using a middleman in no way affects most scams.
Sure, at some point, the middleman holds both the money and the product, but what is to stop the buyer from charging back? What stopping the seller from passing on a faulty product, assuming the middleman does not have the knowledge?
Not to mention that I do not think I'd trust anyone other than myself as a middleman for my deals.

 

[peh]

Definitely not. Same problem with liability, and using a middleman in no way affects most scams.
Sure, at some point, the middleman holds both the money and the product, but what is to stop the buyer from charging back? What stopping the seller from passing on a faulty product, assuming the middleman does not have the knowledge?
Not to mention that I do not think I'd trust anyone other than myself as a middleman for my deals.

Yes but lower rep people like myself don't get a choice if we want to middleman in our deals the higher rep people always demand that the lower rep goes first or we use a middleman and I would trust a moderator a lot more than 90% of the middlemen on here.

 

[Lehend]

but if there where a deposit thats a guarantee that the person will not just leave... I'm right... it could be optional like a service offer for buyer or seller[DOUBLEPOST=1493821302][/DOUBLEPOST]but this is also not a good idea... we may came up with something, I know its a very good way to protect the trading

 

[Ivain]

peh the middleman doesn't guarantee anything, tbh. It only combats a very limited type of scam.
Maybe I should make a second guide about how low-rep members can start dealing here.

 

[Lehend]

I think moderator middle man feels better than middle man, is actualy a good idea. come on dont you agree?

 

[Lehend]

I get your point and you are right on that... moderator middle man is not a 10 no the scale of 0 to 10 is like 3 and regular users is like 2... so is better than regular users but scammers could became moderators just to make one big scam...

 

[Sywren]

I agree with Robert and Ivain. However, in terms of it being harder for lower rep people to go first, it's really not that big of a deal.

peh, I don't see whats wrong with going first with a user that has more reputation than you. When a higher rep user asks for a lower rep user to go first, that user's intention isn't to be rude. It's honestly just them being cautious. Lets be for real, who would be more likely to scam, a user that joined last month with only 2 vouches, or a user that has been a member for about a year with 30-40 deals?

peh, just ask for them to +rep you and you'll +rep them after a deal. It's really not an insult to any new members, just them being cautious.

 

[Lehend]

Sywren that is why peh says about middleman moderators cause moderators have more in this to keep than regular users...
but its true theres a probability of scam there but is like is more likely that someone want to mantain a good rep account and is more likely that someone wants to mantain a moderator account you know... and moderator should not be like new users who just join the server ... maybe...

 

[Ivain]

Sywren that is why peh says about middleman moderators cause moderators have more in this to keep than regular users...
but its true theres a probability of scam there but is like is more likely that someone want to mantain a good rep account and is more likely that someone wants to mantain a moderator account you know... and moderator should not be like new users who just join the server ... maybe...

There's a reason why staff are currently forbidden from middlemanning. Staff represent the site. Anything goes wrong in a deal, no matter who the guilty party is, the site becomes liable.

 

[Lehend]

that are very good reasons why not to use this method... but what do you propuse? are you feeling good with the current method?[DOUBLEPOST=1493852742][/DOUBLEPOST]this opinions are not personal man... are to make a better comunity, so is not like I or peh think something... we just want a better way of trade man you know.. I think you may be want that too

 

[Ivain]

I do propose to let things stay as they are. Most people should have little trouble starting up. If you want to gain some reputation while offering a service, offer some vouch copies.
If you want to gain some reputation as a buyer, buy a few small things first, then some slightly bigger things.
If you joined a week ago and are looking to spend hundreds, people will almost immediately become suspicious.

 

[Lehend]

this method is not intended to do any of those things...[DOUBLEPOST=1493854043][/DOUBLEPOST]how come a deposit method would be better for new users or more easy?[DOUBLEPOST=1493854097][/DOUBLEPOST]it will be more secure trading system for all users, legendary and new comers... cause money is money and people is people