Service Teams

[MASk0]

I have changed the whole thread, as it seems certain people don't seem to understand what my point is.

There has been plenty of service teams coming here and there within the market, however, some of these teams are owned by brand new members with 0 rep and joined months/weeks ago. Service Teams are honestly a really easy way to scam, hence the reason why most of the good Service Teams are owned by reputable users or people that have made plenty of legitimate deals in the past.

If you´re letting a brand new member create a business account for a Service Teams, that's an easy profit and scam right there, A Service teams makes 3 digits really quickly with just making everything they have good looking, getting sales rep and then get commissions. I have owned Archia Business in the past, So i know how easy is to actually create all these things.

Here is a quick suggestion of what could be implemented to avoid or at least prevent it to the minimal from happening.

Business Categories:
Meanwhile you create the business account, it will ask you to pick which type of business are you going to run, Hosting, Service Teams, Minecraft & Others etc.
There could be different requirements and rules for them. This could be easily avoided by selecting other and naming the account ''Kaka Services'', however, it's the same as the ''do not hint someone to give you rep'' rule which gives you a warning if you're caught.

I'm not specifically saying you should remove the access to new members for new business as it seems i didn't made clear myself. I meant that business accounts needs a requirement. Could be x months of been in on MCM, X Amount of rep necessary to start.

It's not logical to let someone with 0 rep and few low priced deals in the past to create a Service Team that could not be legitimate and the x user could run away with the money once it gets a decent amount on the service team paypal.

 

[wavy]

With your point, explain when users should start using a business account or start a organisation/company.

 

[MASk0]

With your point, explain when users should start using a business account or start a organisation/company.

Requirements is what it needs. Not necessary what it has to be. or start at[DOUBLEPOST=1524649908][/DOUBLEPOST]

With your point, explain when users should start using a business account or start a organisation/company.

You shouldn't be allowed to create a business account straight joining. You can postfarm if what you need is ''messages''. I'm specifically talking about service teams. I couldn't careless about anything else. There is legit 3 or 4 teams owned by new members with 0 rep.

Service teams gets quite a few digits from commissions. Gets 4 - 5 commissions, let's say, $350 balance as an example..
I'm talking about Personal Experience as i owned Archia Business It's really easy to get commissions, just make your service teams threads good looking and there you go, just like fresh cookies!.

a) Takes the money and moves it to his personal paypal.
b) lies about paying but bans the freelancer for lying(which he isnt)
c) simply deletes the discord when there is enough money to ran off with.
Gets banned and comesback with another account. Quite a simple thing.

This is a really easy scam.

 

[MASk0]

utaninja vashishta reasons for disagree? What makes you not being ok with this?

 

[MASk0]

Ok , first let me place down a few points
Reasons:
Topic 1: Disagree allowing people who joined recently to make accounts
People might not be fraudulent , They might just have an idea to open a hosting company after migrating from another site.If they are not allowed to make a business account they might leave the site which does decrease its revenue.
ok let's take a scenario a banned user makes a new account this user creates a service team. The team is ready for another exit scandal. What if it the company , the scam does not work? To create a logo , thread , website will take quite over 200$.They will have a 200$ loss .A person can be identified by many ways , the registered name on the paypal, ip , any mistake in their backstory.
Well to finally conclude people who joined recently might not always be fraudulent and might have a legitimate company and services

You're wrong on the $200. Only took me $15 to create Archia Business lol + the website when i owned. which i got it free, everyone has connections not necessary a $200.[DOUBLEPOST=1524680455][/DOUBLEPOST]

Ok , first let me place down a few points
Reasons:
Topic 1: Disagree allowing people who joined recently to make accounts
People might not be fraudulent , They might just have an idea to open a hosting company after migrating from another site.If they are not allowed to make a business account they might leave the site which does decrease its revenue.
ok let's take a scenario a banned user makes a new account this user creates a service team. The team is ready for another exit scandal. What if it the company , the scam does not work? To create a logo , thread , website will take quite over 200$.They will have a 200$ loss .A person can be identified by many ways , the registered name on the paypal, ip , any mistake in their backstory.
Well to finally conclude people who joined recently might not always be fraudulent and might have a legitimate company and services

Hosting Companies, however, I'm talking specifically about Service Teams. Completely opposite to hosting companies. It could be implemented business account categories when you create an account.
for example, when you're creating a business accout. it asks you for what exactly will be used for.
Hosting, Service Teams, Minecraft Server, other etc, that way there is different requirements and rules for them making it a little bit more organized and professional rather than doing a single general thing for ALL accounts.[DOUBLEPOST=1524680697][/DOUBLEPOST]

Well to finally conclude people who joined recently might not always be fraudulent and might have a legitimate company and services

If that's true. then prove that. It's not easy to show you are legit without actually have made deals on mcm.
Is easier to type words than making actions. Is like saying that making a company will be used to prove that its legit. which thats tecnically gambling

 

[MASk0]

That would be a better suggestion rather than letting them NOT make a business account , when making the account they can be ip checked , MAC address cross referenced

I have changed the thread and explain it a little bit more of what my point was, as it seems that plenty of people thought i was talking about the whole business account as a general and i have hinted quite few times in my last posts that, I'm talking about Service Teams.

 

[utaninja]

I don’t think you should limit new users. You shouldn’t stop someone from creating a business.

 

[MASk0]

To add on to this, service teams are probably the most annoying thing on MCM.

Imagine posting that you want a build and you get 6 replies saying:

"Hi! Im Theo from Theo's Services.

We here believe we can help you here with out high quality service, join our discord at discord.gg/theo"

And then from these you're greeted with long service waits and high prices for no apparent reasons. What happened to freelance builders making wholesome builds, not just random companies giving you random offers? It's really annoying.

^ This is kinda off topic but its just my feelings. Also I agree that you should have a minimum amount of rep or activity within the forums before you can make a business account.

I mean, Service Teams make getting commissions more efficient, When people complain about getting less clients. It's just that their stuff that they sell might be bad or just butthurt. If you can't handle them, join them. I do agree that there is some 5 IQ Sales reps that comment shit like that without even reading the thread which honestly makes me want to neg rep em. If i ever get that in my thread, id neg em. but the prices thru teams are by freelancers so... its not the company fault but the freelancer that gives that quote. lol which honestly some times is just stupid. I was quoted $10 thru a service team for a 5 - 7 lines code on java which takes 2 minutes to make. i got a friend to make it for free lol[DOUBLEPOST=1524688843][/DOUBLEPOST]

I don’t think you should limit new users. You shouldn’t stop someone from creating a business.

Read again the thread, I changed it. I'm not talking about business in general but service teams in specific. You don't seem to get the point that, you just can't trust every new member. There is a chance that they're legitimate and chances that are not. Same goes for reputable, however, it's more common for new members to this cause they are shit ton of BAN EVADERS(mcm vpn protection is minecraft pirated server like).

If you don't reduce or try to prevent an easy scam. Service Teams would be doomed and getting bad reputation cause of plebs trying to scam thru that.[DOUBLEPOST=1524689034][/DOUBLEPOST]

I will agree to disagree with this.
New service Teams are a problem, hands down. But, who would trust an Account with 0 rep? I know I wouldn't...

There are lots of good teams out there, ran by reputable people, yes. But, there's always pros and cons.
You may not know the owner of the said "service company", they may be very professional, may have an interest in business management in the future, these are a great way to start that experience.

the fun fact is that you don't know what rep the owners have until you check the business owners on that. It's really common to trust a dude with 40 rep and relevant deals than a dude with 0 rep and ugly ass pfp. You can literally smell the ban evasion on these people with 0 rep lol

 

[utaninja]

I mean, Service Teams make getting commissions more efficient, When people complain about getting less clients. It's just that their stuff that they sell might be bad or just butthurt. If you can't handle them, join them. I do agree that there is some 5 IQ Sales reps that comment shit like that without even reading the thread which honestly makes me want to neg rep em. If i ever get that in my thread, id neg em. but the prices thru teams are by freelancers so... its not the company fault but the freelancer that gives that quote. lol which honestly some times is just stupid. I was quoted $10 thru a service team for a 5 - 7 lines code on java which takes 2 minutes to make. i got a friend to make it for free lol[DOUBLEPOST=1524688843][/DOUBLEPOST]
Read again the thread, I changed it. I'm not talking about business in general but service teams in specific. You don't seem to get the point that, you just can't trust every new member. There is a chance that they're legitimate and chances that are not. Same goes for reputable, however, it's more common for new members to this cause they are shit ton of BAN EVADERS(mcm vpn protection is minecraft pirated server like).

If you don't reduce or try to prevent an easy scam. Service Teams would be doomed and getting bad reputation cause of plebs trying to scam thru that.[DOUBLEPOST=1524689034][/DOUBLEPOST]
the fun fact is that you don't know what rep the owners have until you check the business owners on that. It's really common to trust a dude with 40 rep and relevant deals than a dude with 0 rep and ugly ass pfp. You can literally smell the ban evasion on these people with 0 rep lol

You can’t just stop people from creating service teams, that’s ridiculous. Everyone should have the right to create a service team. If it’s bad, they won’t get commissions.

 

[MASk0]

You can’t just stop people from creating service teams, that’s ridiculous. Everyone should have the right to create a service team. If it’s bad, they won’t get commissions.

ummm, I meant bad as a whole. Not a specific team, my dude. lol
I meant Services Teams as a whole, the term. I got scammed on x teams like 4 times, why would i trust any other teams? if there is chances ill get scammed again. Even if is a reputable owner doesn't mean he is not gonna scam, it just means he might be someone you can trust with lol

I think you're not reading it enough. I have never stated to stop people from creating service teams lol. Adding requirements wont stop anyone, it will just prove someone might be legitimate and that might be an user you should trust.

 

[MASk0]

How can you be so sure that new members won't be able to scam without Service Teams? Having requirements for almost everything is not plausible. There are already restrictions to posting in the loans/investment sections, selling Minecraft accounts, creating a Business Account (correct me if I'm wrong) and possibly other sections I may have forgotten have restrictions on. How is restricting yet another thing going to prevent new members from scamming? It's not. It's just going to limit them from using a Service Team from scamming, but there are other ways for new members to scam. List the Service Teams ran by new members where the Owner of the team has scammed people. It seems like you're only making this suggestion from your own experiences, which I don't think happens on here.

If a new member creates a service team, what are the chances they'll actually get customers?

Completely wrong, I'm not doing this thru personal experience nor i cant be arsed to do the work for you. If you're active enough, you would be able to know whos teams are these plus, it's called talking in 3rd person. Not personally. I don't work with teams unless they are known such as Alcend or they are ran by people that i know of and i'm/were friends with.
I'm not going to list them, since that's tecnically calling out someone to create drama. If they were to be tagged or listed, they are going to straight up disagree or complain since they're new members that might lose the right to create such accounts unless they put effort and dedication to the deals they do by proving they're legitimate users and not just some random ban evader. Should have thinked that first.

Limiting a certain area which its the EASIEST way to scam, it's a reasonable limitation. My point is not trying to prevent ''Scamming'' as a whole. but specifically trying to reduce the scamming and chances if that were to happen with just a little bit of thinking and manipulation thru Service Teams. I couldn't careless about the rest.

It's just going to limit them from using a Service Team from scamming

There is your answer. I'm only interested on ''Service Teams'' please do write it up. Any other ways of scamming are quite hard to prevent it, If you have many ''ways to scam'' please list them up, as i'm not aware of that. plenty of these scams are blatant from what i have seen so far. You can literally smell the ban evasion & scam within such thread..

 

[ghost_s1]

I do agree that it does promote an easy way to scam, however, I personally have not experienced that luckily. I think it would be nice if there is a minimum account age required to create a business account if that is not already the case. Going out of the perspective of it being an issue with just service teams, wouldn't it make more sense for the individual making the service team to at least have a month or two of browsing mcm and talking with the community? Because if that were the case, they would have a rough understanding of the community guidelines and would have a better understanding of the good and bad of the community.

 

[Mick]

Although it may be your opinion that these service teams are annoying and need to be removed from the site, that doesn't mean we should try to make it hard for them to be made. We're a pretty open and free marketplace, the reason for the sudden increase in service teams being made a few months ago was because clearly the clients liked them and there was demand.

If someone wants to scam, I can think of a bunch of ways that are easier than making an entire business to do so, it's just important to be cautious with these new people who don't have much reputation to ensure you're safe.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion.