Some clarification of rule 1.1 and a question.

[Justis]

1.1 Do not promote or encourage the violation of any of our rules or TOS.

We all are aware that illegal activities are not allowed here, correct? We're all aware that is a violation of our TOS? I certainly hope you're aware of that.
We're also aware that rule 1.1 forbids the encouragement of the violation of our TOS, yes?

Encouragement, by definition means to give support.

A few members and I had a disagreement today, they claimed flaunting your illegal activities was not a violation of rule 1.1 after I verbally warned several people for supporting/encouraging the cracking of paid content and DDoSing, when they stated that they crack paid content and DDoS people 24 hours at a time, respectively.

One member seemed a bit confused, making the comparison, "If I say someone raped a 3 year old girl yesterday, would I be warned for violating rule 1.1"?
Just to clarify, no. Not necessarily. Though it certainly depends on the context.
However, if you were to say "I raped a 3 year old girl yesterday", yes you would be warned, because you are supporting that activity by stating that you engage in the activity.
Engaging in an activity is an implied support for it, and that is how it is enforced.

We do not want our members supporting/encouraging illegal activities on our forums.
Yes, stating you engage in illegal activities is considered a form of encouragement.
I always thought this was obvious, but apparently a few members are not only confused, but in complete disagreement, stating that it shouldn't be considered encouragement/support at all and should be allowed.

I'd like everyone's opinions on this if possible.

 

[MisfitNerd]

I would have to agree here. Saying you do something illegal, even as a complete 100% obvious joke, still endorses that you support and encourage that action. That I do believe falls within rule 1.1 and should be punished for accordingly.

 

[lAkjtzAZ0]

Your choice of metaphor could probably have used some work (maybe a little less graphic perhaps?) but other than that, I agree with ya. Some people will just do anything to act cool and break the rules though.

 

[Justis]

Your choice of metaphor could probably have used some work (maybe a little less graphic perhaps?) but other than that, I agree with ya. Some people will just do anything to act cool and break the rules though.

I didn't come up with the metaphor, one of the guys arguing with me did. >_<

 

[lAkjtzAZ0]

I didn't come up with the metaphor, one of the guys arguing with me did. >_<

Jesus christ. How do you manage to not go insane here?

 

[MisfitNerd]

What about things like weed? People talk about weed all the time, some places it's illegal, some it's not.

I'd consider this okay because in America at least there's the political discussion nationwide of if it should be legalized, as there are actual medical reasons why it should be. So something along these lines I'd consider okay as it's just a political hot-button issue. Whereas talking about shooting heroine is straight up illegal and just terrible for you, so there's no real reason to discuss it.

 

[Justis]

What about things like weed? People talk about weed all the time, some places it's illegal, some it's not.

I've never warned someone for stating they smoke weed, though if it becomes an issue, that can be discussed.
Things that are obviously illegal (not to mention immoral) are enforced as I described though.

 

[Jack]

I think rule interpretations should be determined by the administration.

As you've experienced, and shown in your examples, certain members of the community are incapable of interpreting the rules maturely.
Some users will do anything to get out of a couple warning points these days. I mentioned recently that warning points aren't even a punishment, it's the accumulation of points that leads to the punishment (suspension, etc).

 

[Devon]

I've never warned someone for stating they smoke weed, though if it becomes an issue, that can be discussed.
Things that are obviously illegal (not to mention immoral) are enforced as I described though.

illegal in what region?[DOUBLEPOST=1496111995][/DOUBLEPOST]1.1 Do not promote or encourage the violation of any of our rules or TOS.

You do know that the TOS doesn't say not to crack sony vegas? It doesn't even say not to promote illegal activities. I should have read it before now, didn't realize that you were that wrong.

 

[MisfitNerd]

I am said user which argued about the 3 year old girl being raped. Say I were to tell you that a 3 year old got raped? Does this mean I support the idea of raping 3 year old children? Does it mean I want to promote the idea that raping 3 year old girls is good? Idk, that's why I was arguing.

Well obviously if you were to be talking about like a local news story and how terrible it was that a 3 year old child got raped is one thing, it's another to be like "Oh, I like to rape 3 year old children, GIMME YOUR KIDS GUYS ".

 

[Justis]

illegal in what region?

The staff team hasn't limited itself to a particular region's laws. Common sense and common knowledge is typically more than enough to restrict inappropriate content on site; but if there's ever a conflict, the staff team resolves it by communicating together and coming to a mutual decision on the action and whether or not it should be allowed or not.

If you ever have any doubts or concerns on whether or not an action is considered against the rules, you have the power and the responsibility to communicate with the staff team and ask the question related to your specific case.
We will give you the answer.

I am said user which argued about the 3 year old girl being raped. Say I were to tell you that a 3 year old got raped? Does this mean I support the idea of raping 3 year old children? Does it mean I want to promote the idea that raping 3 year old girls is good? Idk, that's why I was arguing.

I've already clarified your question in the OP.
No, talking about an incident is not necessarily encouragement.
Stating that you've engaged in the activity is.

 

[XXL]

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We all are aware that illegal activities are not allowed here, correct? We're all aware that is a violation of our TOS? I certainly hope you're aware of that.
We're also aware that rule 1.1 forbids the encouragement of the violation of our TOS, yes?

Encouragement, by definition means to give support.

A few members and I had a disagreement today, they claimed flaunting your illegal activities was not a violation of rule 1.1 after I verbally warned several people for supporting/encouraging the cracking of paid content and DDoSing, when they stated that they crack paid content and DDoS people 24 hours at a time, respectively.

One member seemed a bit confused, making the comparison, "If I say someone raped a 3 year old girl yesterday, would I be warned for violating rule 1.1"?
Just to clarify, no. Not necessarily. Though it certainly depends on the context.
However, if you were to say "I raped a 3 year old girl yesterday", yes you would be warned, because you are supporting that activity by stating that you engage in the activity.
Engaging in an activity is an implied support for it, and that is how it is enforced.

We do not want our members supporting/encouraging illegal activities on our forums.
Yes, stating you engage in illegal activities is considered a form of encouragement.
I always thought this was obvious, but apparently a few members are not only confused, but in complete disagreement, stating that it shouldn't be considered encouragement/support at all and should be allowed.

I'd like everyone's opinions on this if possible.

I begin to question the intelligence and thinking process of some individuals.

 

[Nagi]

"I raped a 3 year old girl yesterday"

Is that even possible?

I think the example you used in your context is a bit "over the edge" xD

 

[Devon]

Well obviously if you were to be talking about like a local news story and how terrible it was that a 3 year old child got raped is one thing, it's another to be like "Oh, I like to rape 3 year old children, GIMME YOUR KIDS GUYS ".

I still don't think that's encouraging. That's just saying you rape kids, not telling other people to rape kids. It might be what gets you off, more power to you.

 

[MisfitNerd]

Is that even possible?

Don't question if it is, some random kid here will attempt it, then that 3 year old's blood will be on your hands.

I still don't think that's encouraging. That's just saying you rape kids, not telling other people to rape kids. It might be what gets you off, more power to you.

I mean in my personal opinion saying you do something means you endorse it. Again, just my opinion. You don't do things normally if you don't like them, right?

 

[Devon]

Don't question if it is, some random kid here will attempt it, then that 3 year old's blood will be on your hands.


I mean in my personal opinion saying you do something means you endorse it. Again, just my opinion. You don't do things normally if you don't like them, right?

If I rob a bank to support my heroin addiction, it doesn't mean I support robbing banks. If someone cracks a program (what started this whole argument) it doesn't mean they support it. It's just something they did to save on money. They are in no way saying that others should go out and do the same thing.

 

[MisfitNerd]

If I rob a bank to support my heroin addiction, it doesn't mean I support robbing banks. If someone cracks a program (what started this whole argument) it doesn't mean they support it. It's just something they did to save on money. They are in no way saying that others should go out and do the same thing.

Hey man, just a simple opinion. Let's not get too argumentative.