Stop Scamming.

[rotteN]

This is a thought that popped up in my head a few decades ago but,
There is a system implemented where before an account goes up on sale it goes through a system were a reputable moderator or owner for example Mick would have a line up of accounts that he checks before they go on sale, so he checks the account details and stuff, he checks the account seller's past to see if he/she is ban evading and other things like payment method and all that jaz.
Maybe also a system were reputable members like glove have a pass to bypass the system.

Probably already been bought up in the past but idfc.

 

[Tristen]

A few decades ago, I wasn't alive, not sure about how it was like back then

 

[Ivain]

pretty average, you know working in MdStonealds.[DOUBLEPOST=1505725230][/DOUBLEPOST]anyone who disagrees is a scammer

Congratulations, you just lost all credibility. "Anyone who disagrees with me is a criminal". That's how despots think. If you're unwilling to listen to criticism, you might as well not bother making a thread like this.
Anyway, this would not stop scamming. Even if someone passes through this extremely slow and work-intensive process, the account can still be taken back.
And allowing 'reputable' members to bypass it basically nullifiies it. Ever heard of exit-scamming? It's when a 'reputable' member decides they wanna leave the site, and use their reputation to do a bunch of deals at once, usually with the other side going first, then scamming them all and leaving.
Unfortunately, this has already happened multiple times, and is a big risk regardless of situation.
Then there would be the problem of determining who is 'reputable' enough to bypass it in the first place.

So, a list of reasons why this will not help scamming:

1. It does not prevent people from taking back accounts if they decide to leave/scam
   
2. it does not prevent previous owners from taking them back
3. Requiring the person selling to be the OG owner would decrease the amount of possible account sales to the point where there might just as well be none
4. Sales would slow to a crawl, since all these requirements would require a lot of time to check for each account, even if Doge worked with the same efficiency as Justis or M6.
5. Scams that take place after an account has been checked WOULD be rarer, but any of them taking place would make Doge (and other staff) partially liable, something that Mick (or the rest of the staff team, for that matter) will not accept
6. It's impossible to draw a line at 'reputable' members that's both fair and reliable. The only way that could come close would be manual approval, and that would create riots about "favoritism", which would likely be at least partially justified (subconscious bias).
7. It is unclear what would make an account (un)reliable. An account with a lot of different owners could still be legit enough, as long as the owners were all legit (a lot of accounts get sold among people on this site a lot). So blocking those outright would be foolish. Yet if even one of those past owners decides to be an ass, it would suddenly get taken back. As such, no single variable would be reliable. The current balance is probably as good as it gets. It takes enough effort to discourage casual scammers, yet it's not so difficult as to stifle the market

PS: I dislike the accounts market very much, and would prefer for it to stop existing entirely, but unfortunately it's part of the site's lifeblood. During the period it was forbidden, there was way less activity on the site.

 

[Zyger]

PS: I dislike the accounts market very much, and would prefer for it to stop existing entirely

Just curious, why's that?

 

[Ivain]

Just curious, why's that?

It used to be because it attracted extremely toxic members to the site. This is still a thing, but way diminished since the ban on FA and alts.
Another reason is that it involves a lot of scamming, and scams that are hard to prevent. I agree with rotteN on that part, I just disagree with the proposed solution.
Yet another reason was that a lot of the accounts were acquired by questionable means. This, too, has diminished after the FA and Alts ban, though probably still present a little.
Because of that, I'm now willing to tolerate it, despite the final reason, which is that it's a limited market that basically involves moving around the same commodities over and over again. The few semi-Og's and cape or rank accounts that get added to the flow are not significant enough to change that.

 

[CWTcreeper]

A decade is ten years, a few decades is like 20-30 years.

 

[Troooper]

This is opinionated and staff members may be biased just based on what they think at the time.

I dont think thats the case if they just check if the account is ban evading. They can check it easily and would prevent many people from getting scammed by the same person over and over. However, this would be time consuming and close to impossible with the current staffmembers count.

all the reputation checks and other suggestions rotteN suggests are simply impossible and indeed opinionated but factchecks can't do wrong.

 

[Kaito]

Unfortunately, the way that you are handling this situation gives me all the information I need from this thread, I do not even need to read the thread at all to understand the type of thread that this actually is.

 

[n0tzach]

Maybe also a system were reputable members like glove have a pass to bypass the system.

I'm really lost, How would this stop scams?

 

[Nekio]

Just use a middleman to avoid scamms, simple as that

 

[Nekio]

A middleman doesn't guarantee the prevention of a scam.

Sure, but I will trust more a known middleman than a new member that it's trying to sell an $200 mc account "most of these scammers are people without reputation"

 

[ZACK]

pretty average, you know working in MdStonealds.[DOUBLEPOST=1505725230][/DOUBLEPOST]anyone who disagrees is a scammer

I don't scam, but think how many accounts hit the market a day. Having to have them accepted is absolutely stupid, disagreed.

 

[SheepeyDarkness]

Other than the amount of time that the staff would have to spend to go through all these accounts, when I'm selling I don't want to be forced to give my account to someone beforehand. The people buying the account could always chargeback and the people selling could always change the password once payment comes through or TID it back.

 

[rotteN]

Sure, but I will trust more a known middleman than a new member that it's trying to sell an $200 mc account "most of these scammers are people without reputation"

i used a middleman and lost 100 pretty much all of my money. they dont do anything accept make the process longer.

 

[Nathan]

I dont think staff want to do this for every account which goes on sale.