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If you do not agree with something stated, then post so in the comments without being a child. I do not want to see some clown posting “lol idiot gtfo”.
I have been holding in these thoughts and am venting them here.

Personal Introduction
Salutations,
Some of you may know me, some may not, it is irrelevant.
Just know that I’ve been within the Minecraft community since 2011 (Survival), PvP since 2012 (MCPvP), and HCF since 2014 (Shotbow).
Current activities include developing a network, studying for premed biology at university, and interning for the medical school resume in 3 years.

HCF Introduction (Overly Simplified)
To commence, let us begin with what hardcore factions used to be.
To keep this post simplistic, the game mode began on Shotbow, and blew up once stimpy made videos on the server.
The game mode used to take copious levels of effort and patience and all of which could be taken away by a single death and a 12 hour death ban. Classic.
This morphed into Kohi by Prplz and HCTeams by ItsJhalt.
These two servers added lives, reduced deathbans, fun capture events, constant developments, and so forth. They made the game mode more widely playable.
After these two fizzled away, it morphed into Faithful, Velt, & Viper/Hydra (Partially).

Issues With Kohi (Nostalgia Effect)
Kohi, the server to pull at people’s heart strings.
Every two seconds it is referenced in comparison to HCF today.
Most users seem to state that Kohi was the be all and end all of HCF. Apparently Kohi was the greatest server to have ever existed to some. Why?
Kohi has become this weirdly over-glorified behemoth due to a simple reason - Nostalgia.
People want HCF to be hardcore again, or at least not P2W, so badly that this network has all of the sudden become blown up into what is now considered by people to be the end all of hardcore networks.
Kohi was quite enjoyable however for them to be this widely praised is an over stretch. Especially when most of the people asking for it back did not even play it, and if you didn’t then let me clue you in, it is Velt without the P2W and less features.
The same issue occurs on anything from the past.
View a song from the 90’s, 40% of the comments will be stating “I miss this decade, what a marvelous time, I wish it would come back”.
You need to really think about Kohi for those who played it, was it really that good where it deserves to be praised to this extent?
Prplz closed the server because he couldn’t “handle the toxic community and cheaters”. He just gave up and quit.
That is pathetic to do when you have thousands of active users daily.
Prplz, you partially contributed to the rise of P2W servers by leaving a large market share of the community stranded and that is an unfortunate truth.

Prplz, your server was remarkably well made, your staff were helpful, and you interacted with the community frequently, however we both know it is overly praised.

Issues With Velt (Main Reason For Making Thread)
There is not much to say here that hasn’t been said but I’ll keep it short and sweet.
This server only became “the leader in HCF” out of sheer luck.
Once Kohi closed, Hydra was on the slopes, & MineHQ was on temporary shutdown, Velt and Faithful were the only two to really be standing left in the genre.
This is the only reason for Velts ability to become the number one HCF server, a community by the way which they ultimately wiped off half of. Congratulations.
Velt has this arrogance where they actually believe to be the best thing to happen to HCF since Shotbow. Just read through Suliums tweets and you’ll see.
While Velt sits there tweeting as if they’re the victim, and muddles in their own odor of self righteous entitlement, let me demonstrate some of the many reasons why they and Faithful helped to remove half of the player base.

Velt and Faithful ruined the genre for the following reasons:
- Full kit crate times.
- Abundance of lives for price in the low dollars.
- Reduced deathbans down to single digit minutes.
- Shady business tactics.
- Manipulation (Stealing and manipulating the YouTube personalities from Ikari when they were a threat by lying about their release and beta. - From Alex.)
- Making the game mode corporate.
- Employing a joke of a staff team.
- Ripping off people who work for them - personally seen when on the Faithful staff team.
- Not pushing updates to the game mode and instead just keeping something simple even though you make ~ $30k-$200k a month.
- Selling staff ranks.
- Demoting staff because they banned a partner who was cheating.
- Removing players ranks and telling them their payment hadn’t gone through so they’d maybe purchase it twice.
- Do I have to keep going?

In addition, you two pulled some slithery manipulation with the Jhalt scandal.
Was he a degenerate? No question. However, you two couldn’t wait to get your grubby hands all over the train to trash on MineHQ.
I found it quite humorous that you two degenerates, who are guilty of most likely everything he did except the pedophilia, teamed up and began this campaign to end MineHQ, your biggest competition which should have ended your gross hold on HCF.
You two made constant comments about “why do people still support this guy”, desperately trying to break MineHQ so your networks would not end. Making threads and tweets on how to remove CB and how you’ll make a better client. You play this gross game of trying to put yourselves in the lime light while ruining another network, hoping people will forget about how many black shadow things you guys have done.

You call yourselves HCF even though a simple look on your stores say otherwise.

Neither of you deserve the heights you have reached and both of your networks will hopefully crash once and for all.

Issues With Crates & Lives
Believe it or not, you can have HCF with these two.
They existed on Hydra and that server was still HCF and they exist on Vipers “true HCF” server.
“Pay 2 Win” can be classified on any server as if you buy a rank, you receive a queue skip, which means you are paying for a boosting feature that other players do not have. This is something that just about every server does.
As a result, I classify “P2W” with what you put in the crates, the prices of the crates and lives, and the quantities of them.
If you want crates and lives, you can have them, just limit their items so they are not giving too unfair of an advantage.
See FMC, Velt, Arcane, and most new HCF servers for what not to do.

Arrogant Media Personalities
This is an issue not only in HCF but with all servers.
There seems to be an epidemic of YouTubers who charge prices which are inflated to what they are actually worth. EX: 3 HCF YouTubers were contacted by a friend of mine with 15k-30k subs but only receiving 1k-3k views and 30-70 likes. These economists wanted $130-$175 per video, a price which warrants views of 10k+. When my friend had given them an offer which had been inflated as well, $70 for a 1 minute 30 second video, he was told that offer was “insulting”.
$70 for a video which would have taken them maybe 15 minutes to create and upload was insulting.

The reason for this is due to the bloated payments that a network owner once gave them. As a result, they believe this is the baseline to their payments.

Just remember the general rule of thumb is $10-$20 per 1k views.


Ending
Those are my gripes with the current community.
Please let me know what gripes you have below and if any of these you agree with.
If you do not like it, that is unfortunate.
 
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Wish server owners had the same mindset that you and many other regular players have.
 

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I very much agree with this. Adding onto it, Arcane is following in the footsteps of Velt in many ways, and then there are smaller servers like Cave and Amber that have their own issues (cough cave got its database leaked again lol cough amber had a ton of abusive staff and stole staff guides from some guy before demoting him). Viper seems good right now, but I don't doubt that something shady is going on. Someone needs to revive the gamemode with a server that's actually good. (hey look sage came out and it's great what do you know)
 
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More of a rant than a tangent. Anyway yeah I agree on your thoughts.
 

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However, many servers have tried bringing back the old hcf experience and failed because players are now considered "impatient" when waiting out a death ban or if they actually had to mine diamonds or something to craft a diamond set, instead of the crates.

I played shotbow and kohi. My all-time favourite part of old hcf was the sotw pvp. Where SOTW timers weren't a thing and players built a dirt or wooden box and went straight to pvp with their wooden or stone swords and their half crafted leather or iron armour.

Many players might disagree with me but I had so, so, so much more fun crafting with mates and actually having to put time and effort into making a base and grinding a set. Because I remember in shotbow, dying was so bad because it would take ages to grind out the same set again.

Velt, faithful and all those other p2w servers completely destroyed hcf, brainwashed all the new players into playing their servers.

Disgraceful..[DOUBLEPOST=1544802327][/DOUBLEPOST]
I very much agree with this. Adding onto it, Arcane is following in the footsteps of Velt in many ways, and then there are smaller servers like Cave and Amber that have their own issues (cough cave got its database leaked again lol cough amber had a ton of abusive staff and stole staff guides from some guy before demoting him). Viper seems good right now, but I don't doubt that something shady is going on. Someone needs to revive the gamemode with a server that's actually good.
I'd love to create an old hcf server with someone who is as compassionate as me.[DOUBLEPOST=1544802362][/DOUBLEPOST]I just need to get another job to support the server and I"ll happily make one with someone.
 
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I very much agree with this. Adding onto it, Arcane is following in the footsteps of Velt in many ways, and then there are smaller servers like Cave and Amber that have their own issues (cough cave got its database leaked again lol cough amber had a ton of abusive staff and stole staff guides from some guy before demoting him). Viper seems good right now, but I don't doubt that something shady is going on. Someone needs to revive the gamemode with a server that's actually good.

HCF isn't being revived.

Let's do a comparison

2014 abusive staff - yes
2018 abusive staff - yes

2014 griefing and database leaks - griefing, yes, database leaks not so much
2018 griefing and database leaks - griefing, yes, database leaks often

But whose fault is that? Not the server owners, it's the community, it was rare to be a "hacker" back in 2013, now there's hundreds of groups running around taking stuff too far (bank xx). That's not something a server owner can change, it's pretty hard to prevent exploits you don't know about.

2014 DDOSING - yes
2018 DDOSING - yes

2014 cheating - yes
2018 cheating - yes

My point here is people are trying to pretend this stuff never happened and it's the server owner's that ruined the gamemode. It's always been the community and the community can't change as a whole.
 

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HCF isn't being revived.

Let's do a comparison

2014 abusive staff - yes
2018 abusive staff - yes

2014 griefing and database leaks - griefing, yes, database leaks not so much
2018 griefing and database leaks - griefing, yes, database leaks often

But whose fault is that? Not the server owners, it's the community, it was rare to be a "hacker" back in 2013, now there's hundreds of groups running around taking stuff too far (bank xx). That's not something a server owner can change, it's pretty hard to prevent exploits you don't know about.

2014 DDOSING - yes
2018 DDOSING - yes

2014 cheating - yes
2018 cheating - yes

My point here is people are trying to pretend this stuff never happened and it's the server owner's that ruined the gamemode. It's always been the community and the community can't change as a whole.
2014 was blatant cheaters that got banned quickly and people that spent hundreds of dollars on a private client. 2018 is 50% of the players being closet cheaters. 2014 had less abusive staff and ddosing, 2018 has more, and they're on bigger servers.
 

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Cheating in 2014 wasn't insanely common in hcf unless you were flying around using Nodus or the old Huzuni / Wurst.
Staff didn't have to worry about ss methods, strings, process hacker etc.
They just had to press f3 or go into snooper settings and find the client there.

Now as clients have gotten more undetectable its been hard for average screensharers to keep up with everything because a lot of the better screensharers never gave other staff members info about the clients etc.
 

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2014 was blatant cheaters that got banned quickly and people that spent hundreds of dollars on a private client. 2018 is 50% of the players being closet cheaters. 2014 had less abusive staff and ddosing, 2018 has more, and they're on bigger servers.

Once again that's not the servers fault, server owners shovel thousands into anti cheats and all it takes is one good developer to find a bypass and that's that check bypassed and someone has to come up with a new one. DDosing has always been an issue, even with the biggest server owners.

TemptingMC, Owner of ipvp:

 

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Once again that's not the servers fault, server owners shovel thousands into anti cheats and all it takes is one good developer to find a bypass and that's that check bypassed and someone has to come up with a new one. DDosing has always been an issue, even with the biggest server owners.

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The abusive staff is, technically, their fault. The cheating and ddosing could potentially be avoided with a client-side anticheat.
 

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Going back on track. I personally believe kohi is a bit over-hyped and I think a lot of the community wants it back just for the fun of it or because of the memories they shared previously.
 

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lol idiot gtfo
Damn

I use the word tangent and I do not know why, just something that happened.

Wish server owners had the same mindset that you and many other regular players have.
I don't want to sound arrogant but I am one of the few and that is pathetic.
None of them want to put actual effort into the game other than Viper and that is solely because it is under Config.
It blows my mind how you can make that much money yet put so little into the network.

I know for a fact that Killa has part of Faithful's anticheat A51 disabled because he'd rather have a higher player base...... pathetic.
How do I know this? I staffed there and he told me in Teamspeak, he is easy to charm over and he'll spill information if he likes you enough, especially when you live only 20 minutes from his house.
Also, remember Origins? The revive to real HCF from a known network? Yeah, that was my idea. I gave it to him as a Helper but he still managed to make it P2W against the staff teams and developers opinions.

HCF isn't being revived.

Let's do a comparison

2014 abusive staff - yes
2018 abusive staff - yes

2014 griefing and database leaks - griefing, yes, database leaks not so much
2018 griefing and database leaks - griefing, yes, database leaks often

But whose fault is that? Not the server owners, it's the community, it was rare to be a "hacker" back in 2013, now there's hundreds of groups running around taking stuff too far (bank xx). That's not something a server owner can change, it's pretty hard to prevent exploits you don't know about.

2014 DDOSING - yes
2018 DDOSING - yes

2014 cheating - yes
2018 cheating - yes

My point here is people are trying to pretend this stuff never happened and it's the server owner's that ruined the gamemode. It's always been the community and the community can't change as a whole.
Yes, however the player base was still double the size.
It was double the size because players had to work for their loot which meant they stayed on and did not get bored after an hour due to receiving everything for $10.
That on top of my other reasons are what did it and it all comes down to greed.

Going back on track. I personally believe kohi is a bit over-hyped and I think a lot of the community wants it back just for the fun of it or because of the memories they shared previously.
Precisely, that is called the nostalgia effect hence why I made the 90's music reference.
The abusive staff is, technically, their fault. The cheating and ddosing could potentially be avoided with a client-side anticheat.
It could definitely be avoided with the client side anticheat or even just an anticheat e.g. GCheat, which was phenominal.
Even with the "bypasses" to CB and Badlion Client.
 
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mc dead
hcf dead
no one cares
 

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Are you interested in creating a server takebudday
I already have one.
Currently doing some fixes from our beta a while back for it, collecting more funds from my and the other owners job for a wider youtube presence, and testing out some code that was added to some plugins.
 
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I already have one.
Currently doing some fixes from our beta a while back for it, collecting more funds from my and the other owners job for a wider youtube presence, and testing out some code that was added to some plugins.
What gamemode?
 
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