The end of vouch copy shitposts

[utaninja]

Hi,

Ya'll know the giveaway enter button?
Yea so here's how it goes

Make a thread,
at the bottom where there's options for like tags and stuff, at a button that says VOUCH COPIES

You click it

Then post the thread

Then people, when viewing the thread, SEEING the button. they click it if they want a vc

If it's not there, assume they aren't offering, click the button.

Then OP can view the list and dm whoever wants a vc of that service of their choice

 

[Norska]

I guess but there's a rule (I think) that states that you're not allowed to ask for vouch copies unless the author specifically mentions that they are, meaning such posts could be reported.

In my opinion, buttons are small and they can be missed, having the author clarify in their thread/resource whether or not they are giving out VCs would be much better.

 

[utaninja]

I guess but there's a rule (I think) that states that you're not allowed to ask for vouch copies unless the author specifically mentions that they are, meaning such posts could be reported.

In my opinion, buttons are small and they can be missed, having the author clarify in their thread/resource whether or not they are giving out VCs would be much better.

That's true. But on top of it being disallowed unless stated by the user,
This would clean up threads, avoid multiple posts asking for a vouch copy and make it convenient.

it can't hurt

 

[Norska]

That's true. But on top of it being disallowed unless stated by the user,
This would clean up threads, avoid multiple posts asking for a vouch copy and make it convenient.

it can't hurt

I guess, I wouldn't mind if they added this but I doubt they'd go to such lengths just for VCs (and justifiably so).

Either way, if the post is reported I believe it would also be removed to clean up the thread.

 

[Justis]

Normally I’d say that forcing authors to retroactively edit their past threads and enable an obscure setting is asking for trouble. However, we just so happen to be in the process of developing a filtering system that will add many similar options in the exact same location so that threads have more useful data explicitly associated with it. I would already want "offering vouch copies" to be one of those pieces of data, and so simply using that (what will be an) existing flag to either prevent or separate the vouch copy requests from the thread’s posts would bring effectively no extra trouble (excluding development) with all of the benefits.

I do not want to display something like this in the manner that you’ve suggested. The enter giveaway button is the main focus of any and every giveaway thread whereas the offer of a vouch copy in a product/service thread is a minor detail. However, it shouldn’t be difficult to find a more appropriate and attractive way of displaying the necessary information/button.

 

[Lotus]

I don’t particularly believe a button like this would help alleviate vouch copy requests on pages which don’t have it ‘activated’.

People post requests for vouch copies on creator’s threads due to ignorance. There is already a rule stating you aren’t allowed to make such posts and should PM the creator to request for such things instead.

If it's not there, assume they aren't offering, click the button.

Because the issue stems from ignorance, I don’t think people will actually assume such things. They’ll ask anyways because they aren’t aware what the lack of a button means.

The current written rule would be more clear to understand than an unexplained button that may or may not appear. You can’t give it a written explanation either since that’s effectively going to get the same exposure as our existing written rules (if not less considering our rules is the most exposed piece of documentation on the site).

I’m not a fan of the vouch copy culture either, and it really isn’t that common for people to offer them relative to the whole market. I wouldn’t implement a whole feature just for this.

 

[Masons Monarch]

Hi,

Ya'll know the giveaway enter button?
Yea so here's how it goes

Make a thread,
at the bottom where there's options for like tags and stuff, at a button that says VOUCH COPIES

You click it

Then post the thread

Then people, when viewing the thread, SEEING the button. they click it if they want a vc

If it's not there, assume they aren't offering, click the button.

Then OP can view the list and dm whoever wants a vc of that service of their choice

Personally I think that the absence of the button would simply be irrelevant to those who feel the need to request free services. Many of whom who do such things are well aware that the creators art/graphics/etc is good enough to be completely paid but they see a new thread and feel like its worth it to "give it a shot" as in their mind a free product is worth angering the OP. If the OP is actually wanting to offer vouch copies I almost always see such a notification posted in the thread alerting people of the opportunity, this fact is constantly ignored for the reason I stated above.

A better and more effective solution would be to raise the amount of warning points given to a user who does such an action; both a longer expiration and amount of points would be a great source of motivation for users who think its okay to insult the creators of the thread. If someone posted on my design thread for example requesting a vouch copy, I would be highly offended, clearly my skill is well beyond someone who would be offering a free services in return for a vouch and my portfolio would back that up, many of those of whom are asked for vouch copies are in a similar situation where its frankly just insulting, thus I think the higher warning points are in order.

I don’t particularly believe a button like this would help alleviate vouch copy requests on pages which don’t have it ‘activated’.

People post requests for vouch copies on creator’s threads due to ignorance. There is already a rule stating you aren’t allowed to make such posts and should PM the creator to request for such things instead.

I believe that most instances are not out of ignorance but out of lack of respect for the OP as they are merely trying to receive a free product and avoid paying. In some cases, yes, ignorance would be a clear explanation, but more often than not, its a cheap child trying to get some graphics for his service team.


Overall actually having the button may be helpful tool but with the absence of it as stated earlier would simply carry on the problem. I also think that perhaps the button should have further functionality? Such as clicking the button would lead the user to a conversation, once the conversation is started the amount of vouch copies available (assuming that the OP would be able to set a specific amount of vouch copies available) would decrease. Maybe there could be a special prefix for having vouch copies available? This is a very intelligent idea to be quite honest though as I've stated before, it would be all but useless in many cases.

 

[Anish]

I guess but there's a rule (I think) that states that you're not allowed to ask for vouch copies unless the author specifically mentions that they are, meaning such posts could be reported.

In my opinion, buttons are small and they can be missed, having the author clarify in their thread/resource whether or not they are giving out VCs would be much better.

Do you think this rule is gonna be followed very closely? People are just gonna go ahead, post for a vouch copy, not caring AT ALL because what do they have to lose? Absolutely nothing and they could possibly get a free service.

Personally I think that the absence of the button would simply be irrelevant to those who feel the need to request free services. Many of whom who do such things are well aware that the creators art/graphics/etc is good enough to be completely paid but they see a new thread and feel like its worth it to "give it a shot" as in their mind a free product is worth angering the OP. If the OP is actually wanting to offer vouch copies I almost always see such a notification posted in the thread alerting people of the opportunity, this fact is constantly ignored for the reason I stated above.

A better and more effective solution would be to raise the amount of warning points given to a user who does such an action; both a longer expiration and amount of points would be a great source of motivation for users who think its okay to insult the creators of the thread. If someone posted on my design thread for example requesting a vouch copy, I would be highly offended, clearly my skill is well beyond someone who would be offering a free services in return for a vouch and my portfolio would back that up, many of those of whom are asked for vouch copies are in a similar situation where its frankly just insulting, thus I think the higher warning points are in order.



I believe that most instances are not out of ignorance but out of lack of respect for the OP as they are merely trying to receive a free product and avoid paying. In some cases, yes, ignorance would be a clear explanation, but more often than not, its a cheap child trying to get some graphics for his service team.


Overall actually having the button may be helpful tool but with the absence of it as stated earlier would simply carry on the problem. I also think that perhaps the button should have further functionality? Such as clicking the button would lead the user to a conversation, once the conversation is started the amount of vouch copies available (assuming that the OP would be able to set a specific amount of vouch copies available) would decrease. Maybe there could be a special prefix for having vouch copies available? This is a very intelligent idea to be quite honest though as I've stated before, it would be all but useless in many cases.

I couldn't have said it better myself, the problem with the whole "Vouch Copy" system si that people just don't care. What we need is a stricter punishment for asking for a Vouch Copy when it's not stated in the thread. What we have right now is simply just too relaxed and it allows people to spam for vouch copies in every thread.

The button, I think is a very useful feature but how it should work is you click it, and it either creates a conversation or displays a "No Vouch Copies Available" message to prevent users from asking when the button disappears.

Overall, I think its an amazing idea and definitely needs to be implemented.

 

[Mick]

I don’t particularly believe a button like this would help alleviate vouch copy requests on pages which don’t have it ‘activated’.

People post requests for vouch copies on creator’s threads due to ignorance. There is already a rule stating you aren’t allowed to make such posts and should PM the creator to request for such things instead.


Because the issue stems from ignorance, I don’t think people will actually assume such things. They’ll ask anyways because they aren’t aware what the lack of a button means.

The current written rule would be more clear to understand than an unexplained button that may or may not appear. You can’t give it a written explanation either since that’s effectively going to get the same exposure as our existing written rules (if not less considering our rules is the most exposed piece of documentation on the site).

I’m not a fan of the vouch copy culture either, and it really isn’t that common for people to offer them relative to the whole market. I wouldn’t implement a whole feature just for this.

Yeah I agree. I think that the solution mentioned in the original post here is inelegant and not ideal. Instead, in our migration to XF2, we'll likely be adding something similar to what Justis has suggested which should be pretty yeety.

Denied, thanks for the suggestion