Trading Feedback Removal Poll

[M6Gaming]

Hello ladies and gentlemen,

This suggestion revolves up to the second part of this thread (http://www.mc-market.org/threads/82324/) by our lovely StudioBeat, there are a few more points I'd like to address and actually add a poll to see where this goes.

What is this?​

Recently we added a new trading feedback/reviewing system. You may leave reviews of your experience on other member's profiles. This is separated into three categories (Positive, Neutral, and Negative) and will show anywhere else you comment or post.

The sole purpose for the system is to add the correct meaning of "Rep" or "Reputation", this determining if you are trustworthy to deal with or such. Upon looking at the system for a few days I have found quite a few issues with it, all categorized below in a simple 1-2-3 scenario:


1. Fake/Trolling Reviews
Let's face it, we always have that one hater who just wants to get back to you for no apparent reason. We have incidents of members giving off fake ratings, or trashing threads, now they get the right to trash your reputation over a dilemma that happened a whole month ago? God, please no M6...

Solution: Report the fake review, and wait for a moderator/administrator to handle it.


2. "Cheap"/"Chipped" Reviews
This goes under the talk of: "Hey! What do you say we exchange some quick reviews, after all it benefits us both!"
When you haven't exactly used the service you are reviewing for. See the problem is, when a buyer sees that you have clean reviews and he/she decides to purchase to find out you aren't as godly as your reviews are - It actually shows that these "friends" who reviewed you without even using the service are desperate and trust me karma will hit you hard.


3. Scam Reports
So it's fair with this reviewing system, it'll have an effect on the whole market. This involves my assigned category, "Scam Reports". It's sad to see I already have a moderation queue of comments such as - "He has 7 positive reviews, and no negatives. M6 this guy wouldn't scam him cmon", like is this what humanity has become?

My favorite sentence: You can scam, I can scam, that guy in the corner can scam on anyone, anytime, for any reason, anything - It honestly doesn't matter. Reviews/Feedback/Ratings might rock your world, but in the world of Scam Reports, it holds no value whatsoever.

So what shall we do?​

Now as many say, "Ratings are not Reputation". And infact, you are correct it doesn't mean anything. Yet what is Reputation to me?
- The clean ratings given on a shop or service along with the comments full of the correct reviews/feedback OF the service under that section making it accessible to your use.

Basically meaning, there should be a sorted change on any thread or business of having more straight to the point reviews when you are actually looking for a team or individual to hire. I know many include that small spoiler with the "Vouches" and it shows all the quoted reviews on that service.

Obviously we could revamp the forums a bit, and it could make the marketing shops a lot more clean and sweet.

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Upon thinking about this whole topic, it brings in mind of how eBay pulls of sales. When you purchase an item, that's when you are allowed to write a review yet how are we supposed to know you purchased from someone else on here? Instead, I think this review/feedback system should be simplified down to an update for resources.

AFTER purchasing a resource, you will be allowed to write a review/rate it. Myiume - Tagging you so you can see this as well.

So this leaves us at our standpoint, obviously the resource revamp is just an idea of mine. Yet, I believe a system like that will be far more better than a general rating system for the whole market.

Should we remove the Trading Feedback/Review System?
Make sure you answer the poll above, and post up any ideas/comments below.
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Thanks for reading guys and gals,
M6Gaming

 

[M6Gaming]

I don't think it should be removed and I already got a false negative review by Boxxy because I annoyed him. Just because the system has a few flaws the first week doesn't mean jack shit. Everything has flaws. If the staff of the site simply handle the reported negative / fake reviews and maybe edit the system im sure they could figure out a way to "fix" it instead of removing it just because people bitch.

This shit happens every time something new is added on here. Learn to give change a chance.

It's infact been 2 days the system was implemented, and it does show something we can't change.

I voted "No" and I will say why I voted that.

Some people, like me, are legitmate MCM users who have never scammed and don't have an intent to scam. All four written feedback posts for me are legit, and are from people that bought stuff from me or sold me things. I know life isn't fair, but removing it is hurting legitimate people like me and many others that like the system because it makes our customers more comfortabke when dealing with us.

Nice, I'm legit too no worries.
See the problem is, not everyone is legit. And let's face it, there's quite a handful who won't beg or rate-for-rate just to get business. This system promotes unnecessary competition, for all I care you may be a legit seller of whichever product.

But when you realize you need a task done which you have no idea to complete, you'll eventually find the right member with encouraging reviews but once you purchase you realize they aren't anything as they are and you would obviously be filing a scam report.

Not only that, you think these members are hated on for no reason? It's because of the sole purpose. You speak the truth, and he/she gathers friends just to finish you off. This is humanity, decreasing this system will remove the risk of the added on drama to our community.

 

[Satan]

It incorporates the idea of vouches and points to be a display measure of credibility. I am in favor of keeping the system, but I prefer if the feedback/vouch/devouch options were filled out in a form type of manner, with more specificity such as a "Time input" to describe how long it took to do the service in hours or minutes, etc.

Adding a form input of how friendly or cooperative a person is. Many vouches left by people are one worded "vouches" and they could be anyone so that's my take on it.

 

[M6Gaming]

It incorporates the idea of vouches and points to be a display measure of credibility. I am in favor of keeping the system, but I prefer if the feedback/vouch/devouch options were filled out in a form type of manner, with more specificity such as a "Time input" to describe how long it took to do the service in hours or minutes, etc.

Adding a form input of how friendly or cooperative a person is. Many vouches left by people are one worded "vouches" and they could be anyone so that's my take on it.

It's like creating a new account for email, etc.

It may be easily faked. What do you want to add? The buyer recording a video just to be able to review for the seller? Let's face it - That is just a step too far.

 

[Satan]

It's like creating a new account for email, etc.

It may be easily faked. What do you want to add? The buyer recording a video just to be able to review for the seller? Let's face it - That is just a step too far.

I never thought a staff would prefer to use the current scam report system/feedback system over a more specific vouch system. Fine I get the idea, you don't want to change I won't give ideas to change.

 

[M6Gaming]

I never thought a staff would prefer to use the current scam report system/feedback system over a more specific vouch system. Fine I get the idea, you don't want to change I won't give ideas to change.

This brings me back to the OP,

My favorite sentence: You can scam, I can scam, that guy in the corner can scam on anyone, anytime, for any reason, anything - It honestly doesn't matter. Reviews/Feedback/Ratings might rock your world, but in the world of Scam Reports, it holds no value whatsoever.

New system/old system/current system of ratings, vouches, feedback, reviews -> Do not matter on Scam Reports.

 

[E_Hos]

Yea, remove this junk. I've reported like 6-10 for "Not a trade" because its like:
OPQGaming -> Justis: +1 "Is my wife"
and stuff like "Had a professional thread and responses to my questions"
It's pretty bad, and people giving negative ratings for no reason, like a little hate towards a player.

 

[tjrgg]

I like how you guys are already ready to remove the system, when it's something lots of people asked for in the first place.

Let me challenge you all. Instead of removing the system (as that's not going to happen right now anyway), why do we try to come up with ways to address the concerns and issues with the system and try to find ways to fix them?

One thing you guys need to realize is that this is the internet. More specifically, this a Minecraft marketplace forum. It's nothing all that fancy. My point is that things can be faked anywhere, scamming can still happen, etc. I'm well aware of issues that can happen with this system, but I'm willing to work on addressing those issues. I'm willing to stand in front of the bullet instead of dodging it, which is exactly what this thread is doing. Trying to dodge a bullet. (My opinion of course.)

Anyway, my point is this: it doesn't matter what we do or what we say. There will always be people that will try to get around the system or just flat out break the rules. There's no way to stop that. There are just people out there that are determined to do something and will do whatever it takes. So we need to stop having the mindset of "we need to stop scamming", etc. Let's be real here, there's no absolute way to stop scams from happening. We can do all we want to try and reduce the number of scams, but there will always be someone out there that will try to find a way around the system. If someone really wants to scam for whatever reason, they'll find a way to do it. All we can do is try to make it harder for them to do.

So, who's ready to take me up on my challenge? Think about real solutions to fix problems. The feedback system isn't going anywhere until everything has been considered.

 

[Satan]

I like how you guys are already ready to remove the system, when it's something lots of people asked for in the first place.

Let me challenge you all. Instead of removing the system (as that's not going to happen right now anyway), why do we try to come up with ways to address the concerns and issues with the system and try to find ways to fix them?

One thing you guys need to realize is that this is the internet. More specifically, this a Minecraft marketplace forum. It's nothing all that fancy. My point is that things can be faked anywhere, scamming can still happen, etc. I'm well aware of issues that can happen with this system, but I'm willing to work on addressing those issues. I'm willing to stand in front of the bullet instead of dodging it, which is exactly what this thread is doing. Trying to dodge a bullet. (My opinion of course.)

Anyway, my point is this: it doesn't matter what we do or what we say. There will always be people that will try to get around the system or just flat out break the rules. There's no way to stop that. There are just people out there that are determined to do something and will do whatever it takes. So we need to stop having the mindset of "we need to stop scamming", etc. Let's be real here, there's no absolute way to stop scams from happening. We can do all we want to try and reduce the number of scams, but there will always be someone out there that will try to find a way around the system. If someone really wants to scam for whatever reason, they'll find a way to do it. All we can do is try to make it harder for them to do.

So, who's ready to take me up on my challenge? Think about real solutions to fix problems. The feedback system isn't going anywhere until everything has been considered.

I tried. But m6 wouldn't let me, and I think he has some clear influence in staff decisions